The Philosopher’s Stone

topic posted Mon, July 20, 2009 - 1:59 AM by  Phillip
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While I do believe that it is possible that alchemists who practice the laboratory form of alchemy could have manifested such a stone that would render miraculous powers, especially a powerful manifesting power, I also believe that the Philosopher’s Stone is an esoteric internal space which can be realized by other methods as well. I believe the alchemist who may have manifested such an object also must have realized this same state of consciousness that the more esoteric alchemist manifests. But both lead to the same realization, if not the same manifestation of power.

What do others think?
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Phillip
Sacramento
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  • Re: The Philosopher’s Stone

    Thu, September 3, 2009 - 8:53 PM
    I believe your exactly correct. The cool thing is to recognise other way's of achieving same results. So for example practicing alchemy and Taoist Yoga can truely amp up your awareness. When you start to recognise the similarities your understanding grows faster and deeper.

    I recommend reading some Taiost Yoga, I personally like it more then Hindu Yoga, which I absolutely adored until I finally discovered Alchemy, then re-read Taoist Yoga and it made more sense.

    peace
    • Re: The Philosopher’s Stone

      Thu, September 3, 2009 - 9:21 PM
      i practice kundalini yoga. been a long draw master (lol) for 25 years. :)
      for myself, kundalini yoga enhances the inner alchemy so very much. I combine metallics and this type of yoga with very good results. Combining and inner and outer approach is the only really practicle way for my sense of it.

      inner bliss turns medicines into true, real, medicines.
      • Re: The Philosopher’s Stone

        Thu, September 3, 2009 - 10:08 PM
        Flint you obviously very aware, I would really encourage you to learn some Taoist Yoga, the main difference is that Hindu Yoga practices awakening the energy within and it rises up your chakras to your crown chakra. Taoist Yoga goes beyond this and teaches you to not simply rise your energy but to circulate it in what they call the microcosmic orbit. The energy is integrated with not just the celestial energies but also the earth's energy or shall we say complete the circuit within our body, mind and spirit.

        Since your quite experienced already you would swim into this very quickly I am sure ;-)

        peace
        • Re: The Philosopher’s Stone

          Thu, September 3, 2009 - 10:22 PM
          Rick- by long draw, i mean i am very familiar with this circuit of energy expression as well. Chinese medicinal tonics are my specialty, and i use the wu xing in part of my perceptual tools of the universe. i use lots of Tensegrity principals in my personal energy approaches too. You should come join my Herbal Medicine ll tribe, it sounds like you could make some nice feedback in our subject base.
  • Re: The Philosopher’s Stone

    Sun, November 29, 2009 - 3:06 PM
    • Re: The Philosopher’s Stone

      Sun, November 29, 2009 - 11:48 PM
      come now, if you use, and actually manufacture these wonderful medicines, why cannot you share a single personal sentence or interact in the slightest, with the people you disrespect by spamming them? no interaction+business link= disingenuous spam. Come on man, if you are rude enouph to do that, at least you could throw us a bone, not another link to your multi leveled philosophical money?

      happy thots.

      and do share. i have faith their is something other than a capitalist smirk behind that icon. :) So what say you, do you have a word for the common man?
      • Re: The Philosopher’s Stone

        Mon, November 30, 2009 - 1:13 PM
        Agreed!
        • Re: The Philosopher’s Stone

          Wed, December 2, 2009 - 2:29 AM
          "Philosopher’s Stone is an esoteric internal space which can be realized by other methods as well."

          That is the answer right there. Alchemy, the art of purifying gold and the life action/philosophy of purifying the soul into a "Golden Soul".

          It is easy to imagine "what it's like" all the way up until you get there. The idea of power is actually misunderstood until one reaches it, until then the quest for power and manifestation is actually a form of greed. Best example of this is political/religious leaders. Society's over all idea of power involves some form of "force", "control" or "manipulation" and equals material riches and states of possession. Note a state of possession is not a state of being even though it is often viewed and argued as such.

          I am quite sure there is something special in attaining such a state of being and that the process of ascension would require/coincide with a transformation in consciousness based on Universal Law and the Principals there in.
          • Re: The Philosopher’s Stone

            Fri, December 11, 2009 - 12:59 PM
            Perfectly said nice statement.I do know from experience if ones search is just for power and control then its like messing with your first chemical set you will get burned in time.So many people want this dominant control and its ridiculous they search after material possession and power when I would rather obtain something that goes beyond this and lasts forever as far as what the soul achieves.So many religions talk about the divine soul and once achieved it is equaled to a GOD like position and grants you this title but you have to do many things to get there and some give up because they say its too hard but this GOD like soul is very interesting as to how its viewed.I can say the philosophers stone is interesting and watching the transmutation of the metals is even more interesting to watch because the soul takes the same road to perfection.To take something impure and make it pure is just fascinating.But to witness the transformation will only make you stand in awe.
            • Re: The Philosopher’s Stone

              Fri, December 11, 2009 - 1:19 PM
              Interacting with "the stone" simply gives one a taste of source energy or the "central sun." One can make of that what one will, but it will change your life.
              One path is the ormus path. It seems to be a more accessible path for some. The subtleenergies site is a good place to start.
              • Re: The Philosopher’s Stone

                Fri, December 11, 2009 - 5:49 PM
                You are an Alt, and would constitute your reccomendation as spam.

                Its easy to say anything, When one is an Alt.
                • Re: The Philosopher’s Stone

                  Fri, December 11, 2009 - 9:58 PM
                  Say what?
                  • This is the maximum depth. Additional responses will not be threaded.

                    Re: The Philosopher’s Stone

                    Fri, December 11, 2009 - 11:59 PM
                    uh huh, what ? what?

                    you, Alt.

                    Alt= fake, depective identitiy. Identitiy used to do things you would not as your real person that made the Alt.
                    • Re: The Philosopher’s Stone

                      Sat, December 12, 2009 - 9:45 AM
                      I don't know who you are or what you are up to, but my profile page speaks for itself. I am a well known inventor of ormus concentrating devices and a contributing regular to the Yahoo ormus forums. i have never created an "alt," and have never had the slightest urge to do so.
                      I notice that "spammer" is a word you sling around quite irresponsibly on the forum.

                      Some of my orme capturing devices:

                      www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/...ing.htm

                      www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/...ion.htm

                      www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/...rap.htm
                      • Re: The Philosopher’s Stone

                        Sat, December 12, 2009 - 9:48 AM
                        A profile will say anything you have typed.

                        And again you spam us with links that I think are advertising...
                        • Re: The Philosopher’s Stone

                          Sat, December 12, 2009 - 9:51 AM
                          Yeah, I occasionally sell trap water and with hardly any profit. I spend more time promoting the making of the devices than I do selling output. My devices are so easy to make that many, many people who used to have to pay exorbitant prices for strong trap water can now make their own for pennies. Some merchandising, huh?
                          • Re: The Philosopher’s Stone

                            Sat, December 12, 2009 - 10:04 AM
                            By the way, I don't sell the devices either. All my efforts on the ormus groups are devoted to urging people to make their own devices. I have never sold a device. I do also sell ormically charged pendants made of ceramic and sintered silver but again for almost nothing in profit, and I spend all my time on the Yahoo ormus forums spilling the beans about my secrets of manufacture so that others may spread the technique. I am retired on a comfortable income and have no need to become a one man alchemy store. My prime objective has always been to spread the word about these energies and empower people to take these matters into their own hands. Some people, however, have no aptitude for that and demand I sell them things, but again I do so for almost no profit, My wife often harangues me for not charging anythhng beyond cost of materials.
                            I realize that the most entrenched alchemical tradition has always been secretive and elitist, but I think the time has come for alchemy to spread to a wider audience and to bring its insights and energies out into the wider world especially now when so many people sense a turning of the great wheel. I give away my own secrets, but I can hardly refuse some people who insist I give them the "goods" they have a yearning for, and I cannot afford to give those things away absolutely free. If you will notice on my subtleenergy links there is nothing being sold. I do offer my ormis silver pendants for sale on my profile page but at a cost that really brings me no profit. I am a proselytizer not a huckster.
                            • Re: The Philosopher’s Stone

                              Sat, December 12, 2009 - 10:24 AM
                              Flint, I notice that in one of your photos you are wearing what looks like a turquoise necklace. I am very much into turquoise energy and like to explore the different energies of different turquoises. Lately, I've fallen in love with the green Orvil Jack mine turquoise that has zinc displacing copper. Same with the Stennich mine turquoise. These are technically faustite not true turquoise, but the energies are amazing - something like moldavite but unique unto themselves. I've also recently blundered into a cache of the infamous "white turquoise" which is so often faked with howlite or magnesite. The genuine stuff has a very unique energy as well.
                              Stone and crystal alchemy is actually my true love and supercedes my interest in orme alchemy these days. Anyway, I am always looking for stone energy afficianados from which to learn more and share notes.
                            • Re: The Philosopher’s Stone

                              Sat, December 12, 2009 - 12:09 PM
                              '' My prime objective has always been to spread the word about these energies and empower people to take these matters into their own hands. ''


                              no, your prime objective is flaming people in other tribes, and confabbing with different ladies. Wonder is your supposedly existing wife would be down with all that. A profile can indeed have just about anything written on it.
                      • Re: The Philosopher’s Stone

                        Sat, December 12, 2009 - 12:04 PM
                        the last page is indeed a spamotorium .

                        You, factually, lie. Your 'solari' Alt, has quite a potty mouth and slings hash with the most virulent of tribe trolls and flamers. You are nice hear, to help your character. You are involved yourself in plenty of unscrupulous fights. Not to say i haven't been, but i don't lie about my base identity, and spin some delightful sounding stuff to the ladies.

                        i wish ormus was as simple as lots of strong magnets, that would be cool, but doesn't fly. The chinese market quite an array of devices like the ones you link too. magnets all over the place.

                        Thats why i have an alchemy tribe that is private, it cuts out the spammers altogether, and jumps strait to operative techniques, and also eliminates the blow hard christian theology talks, and all religious banter altogether. We focus on operative techniques.
                        • Re: The Philosopher’s Stone

                          Sat, December 12, 2009 - 12:41 PM
                          O.k. Now I see what you are up to, Flint. Tribe is unfortunately infested with your kind. It's a shame.
                          • Re: The Philosopher’s Stone

                            Sat, December 12, 2009 - 12:56 PM
                            You have already made yourself abundantly clear about me in the past, why act like its the first time, 'sir'.? And you have certainly had shitty things to say to me, elsewhere.

                            You still do not hold up to being a real person, rather than a womanizing alt, dear sir. I don't really care what you have to say. But i bet you wouldn't say some of those things, here.

                            its a shame you keep your scam up. Im not against you sharing some knowledge, but chatting up chicks about crystals doesn't really cut it.
                            You also have notorious trolls on your friends list, i rest my case. Besides, this isn't really a place to have this discussion. I stated my facts, say what you will about them, and then do, move on. I really come here hoping for some alchemical subject matter that goes beyond magnets and cups, and theological debates on what the word means, or in this case, the Philosophers Stone. Loose ended comments with no information is where you tend to comment, also leaving an equal amount of disbeleif or disdain.

                            have whatever kind of day your real self has, and enjoy it, which i am sure you do.
                            • Re: The Philosopher’s Stone

                              Sat, December 12, 2009 - 1:02 PM
                              I have a pretty good idea who you are "Flint" just by the manner of your speech.
                              If the moderator doesn't have the discernment to reign in trolls on this tribe, then there is no point in being here.
                              • Re: The Philosopher’s Stone

                                Sat, December 12, 2009 - 1:08 PM
                                I would agree, there is no point for trolls being here. Now move the conversation along?
                                • Re: The Philosopher’s Stone

                                  Sat, December 12, 2009 - 2:34 PM
                                  "Who" is "protecting" "who" from "what?"

                                  Back to conversation please. Thank you...
                                  • Re: The Philosopher’s Stone

                                    Sat, December 12, 2009 - 3:18 PM
                                    why bring it up?

                                    back to the conversation., indeed.

                                    Thank YOU!

                                    so, what do you have to add to this philosophers stone thread, that is actually part of the converation? I did so, until a known Alt started babbling away and reffering people to off site conversation. Which he could post, if it were not really spam of some sort. So what DO you have to add to this conversation? The thread maker asked for what others thot. I've added to that conversation, what pray tell, is your thots or commnets towards the thread itself?
                                    • Re: The Philosopher’s Stone

                                      Sat, December 12, 2009 - 3:32 PM
                                      And seeings that he has vacated the tribe, when held accountable for his actions, that should speak for itself well enouph.


                                      personally, to accumulate the materials, time and patience for making the physical stone, one has to be more than idleness and curiosity to stick with it, to accomplish it. So by nessesity, the physical alchemist goes thru an inner observation change while the tedium of certain processes goes on. What do you think, Cliff?

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