Tribe.net. Local Connections Richard http://Alchemical.tribe.net/thread/785454a4-d214-4361-89ea-b20102d7078a#76131f7a-eb5b-402d-baee-2df6f897ad57 2009-04-23T06:41:20Z 2009-04-23T06:41:20Z

Your welcome.

Richard 2009-04-23T06:41:20Z Richard http://Alchemical.tribe.net/thread/785454a4-d214-4361-89ea-b20102d7078a#5c143a42-3924-40a8-9571-277d8695d5de 2009-04-22T06:45:48Z 2009-04-22T06:45:48Z

Since you want to talk about what kinda changes words can bring and I said it will bring a fire to the earth unlike any other I will leve you with this link of a news artical just started as I was circulating Ephphatha a little bit more you will see these kinda things and plenty more A solor storm is comming to show you you wanted to see proof here you go hit on link and read artical. http://news.aol.com/article/solar-storm-warning/437777?icid=main|main|dl1|link3|http%3A%2F%2Fnews.aol.com%2Farticle%2Fsolar-storm-warning%2F437777 Sorry had to post this.

Richard 2009-04-22T06:45:48Z Flint http://Alchemical.tribe.net/thread/785454a4-d214-4361-89ea-b20102d7078a#8cfaac32-9cab-4910-be07-608da31b7ae4 2009-04-22T05:21:01Z 2009-04-22T05:21:01Z

I am beginning to think, getting back to the theme of alchemy and tbotl, that the titles The Great Beast 666 and The Scarlet Woman are two appications of alchemy? ======= Crowley interchanged a few important process', so it is relevant what crowley regarded as the mercury, the salt and so on, he had very specific spiritual and metaphoric reasons to reassign a few of the basic premises of transformation, all of which are highly relevant to the practice of alchemy in the non chemical usage. Many of the issues involves congealing and solidification of the substrate. congealing and solidification of substrate, ahem. :)

Flint 2009-04-22T05:21:01Z Flint http://Alchemical.tribe.net/thread/785454a4-d214-4361-89ea-b20102d7078a#3c67c5f3-5f55-4a96-8411-57189b77f293 2009-04-22T05:17:56Z 2009-04-22T05:17:56Z

Thank you for the time you took to PM me, Richard, i appreciate it, and understand you fully. for everyones fun: http://www.sacred-texts.com/oto/lib97.txt

Flint 2009-04-22T05:17:56Z Ron http://Alchemical.tribe.net/thread/785454a4-d214-4361-89ea-b20102d7078a#c884c718-38e7-43e6-b5bb-104898d223de 2009-04-22T05:07:33Z 2009-04-22T05:07:33Z

I am beginning to think, getting back to the theme of alchemy and tbotl, that the titles The Great Beast 666 and The Scarlet Woman are two appications of alchemy? Any thoughts?

Ron 2009-04-22T05:07:33Z Ron http://Alchemical.tribe.net/thread/785454a4-d214-4361-89ea-b20102d7078a#96c06707-57c2-4724-8524-ad55d68dbd29 2009-04-20T07:34:08Z 2009-04-20T07:34:08Z

crowley took on the restriction of being the great beast 666 so we wouldn't have to. He fulfilled Christian prophecy. Peace and Love Fr Sabaechit Ron Adams sunwolf

Ron 2009-04-20T07:34:08Z Richard http://Alchemical.tribe.net/thread/785454a4-d214-4361-89ea-b20102d7078a#afd27b94-2b7a-40f6-8563-c06c981b588e 2009-04-20T05:27:45Z 2009-04-20T05:27:45Z

Now as to the rest of this dicussion I do not want to mess up the persons post on this site we are getting off track if anymore questions on this matter message me on my main page other than this the subject is now dropped until further discussed elsewere.

Richard 2009-04-20T05:27:45Z Richard http://Alchemical.tribe.net/thread/785454a4-d214-4361-89ea-b20102d7078a#f6e08522-9297-44af-b717-e8f45b8ff97f 2009-04-20T04:54:16Z 2009-04-20T04:54:16Z

"The New Aeon began in 1904 and Crowley characterized it as the Aeon of "Force and Fire". We have had plenty of both, fire in the form of two World Wars and numerous lesser ones, plus the atomic fire that blasted Hiroshima and Nagasaki into radioactive rubble--and force represented by the current attempts in physics to unify the four known forces, electromagnetism, gravity, strong nuclear and weak nuclear and the development of string theory, the Feynmann diagrams and 'brane theory in a universe of 11 dimensions. Change enough for ya? Besides, while Ephphthata shows promise, what great changes has it produced so far?" This word was utter'd on November 12,1999 and the change has been everywere not just a reality shift but spiritual as well the effects of which will open the aethrys and bring plenty of change.Were crowley failed I picked up he tried to open the aethyrs for revelation but failed because he did not understand how it worked nor did he have the right connection to bring about this change.I started to open the aethyrs November 12,1999 you will see its effects soon enough the weather changes are nothing compaired to whats on its way.This age will bring a fire to the earth unlike anything seen or felt before and this fire will test everything in its path the fire is the spirit and the effects will be many all over just watch you will see.

Richard 2009-04-20T04:54:16Z Adastra http://Alchemical.tribe.net/thread/785454a4-d214-4361-89ea-b20102d7078a#1ef37896-9d26-4f3e-b8a6-b845e22de259 2009-04-20T03:40:36Z 2009-04-20T03:40:36Z

>>>Through out history people have used this devil as a blaming mechanizem because people are afraid of admitting it was their own fault<<< As one of my favorite poets once put it: Satan is an imaginary being that we can blame for everything bad that happens in our life so that we don't have to take the blame ourselves. God is an imaginary being that we can blame for everything good that happens in our life so that we don't have to take the blame ourselves. With love under will, Bob, Adastra, The Wizzard of Jacksonville

Adastra 2009-04-20T03:40:36Z Adastra http://Alchemical.tribe.net/thread/785454a4-d214-4361-89ea-b20102d7078a#f761e7d8-e199-4a9e-9651-6e63cbb119e8 2009-04-20T03:31:58Z 2009-04-20T03:31:58Z

>>>he spoke a word for his aeon which did not creat much change<<< And yet, he spoke that word in 1904, then a year later a guy in Switzerland named ALbert Einstein published his paper on the photoelectric effect which earned him a Nobel Prize in Physics and gave rise to quantum mechanics which field of study is responsible for television, microwave ovens, digital watches, modern desktop computers, calculators that will fit in your pocket, and a host of other really useful innovations in technology that would make life as we know it impossible if they did not exist. The New Aeon began in 1904 and Crowley characterized it as the Aeon of "Force and Fire". We have had plenty of both, fire in the form of two World Wars and numerous lesser ones, plus the atomic fire that blasted Hiroshima and Nagasaki into radioactive rubble--and force represented by the current attempts in physics to unify the four known forces, electromagnetism, gravity, strong nuclear and weak nuclear and the development of string theory, the Feynmann diagrams and 'brane theory in a universe of 11 dimensions. Change enough for ya? Besides, while Ephphthata shows promise, what great changes has it produced so far? With love under will, Bob, Adastra, The Wizzard of Jacksonville

Adastra 2009-04-20T03:31:58Z Richard http://Alchemical.tribe.net/thread/785454a4-d214-4361-89ea-b20102d7078a#e7d52e0e-7a3a-4f53-8788-e21078f2ed2e 2009-04-19T23:51:00Z 2009-04-19T23:51:00Z

I ment to say "no matter what " :) trying to fast type :) lol

Richard 2009-04-19T23:51:00Z Richard http://Alchemical.tribe.net/thread/785454a4-d214-4361-89ea-b20102d7078a#d5c69fa4-3de9-40fc-9db9-7d612f64a04b 2009-04-19T23:47:12Z 2009-04-19T23:47:12Z

I ment to say environment :) typo

Richard 2009-04-19T23:47:12Z Richard http://Alchemical.tribe.net/thread/785454a4-d214-4361-89ea-b20102d7078a#464e6c14-86d3-4f79-9ae6-bc5a6f3710a5 2009-04-19T23:41:01Z 2009-04-19T23:41:01Z

It was in this working found in "Liber Aleph vel CXI: which spoke of it like this ABRAHADABRA ([the word or logos of the aeon] in Liber Aleph) ThELEMA (the Word of the Law, stipulated by Nuit in Liber Al; [and also called the word of the Great Beast {"the Great Beast Himself, the Logos of the AEon, whose Word is Thelema"}]), MAKHASHANAH ([the word of the aeon] in Liber 418, The Vision and the Voice). [First, we have the definition of the Logos of the Aeon: Crowley defines the logos or word as a being incarnate in flesh as a living being, explains that this incarnate word is a poet and elsewhere names the living logos or word as "The Great Beast Himself") - cat] On the Magi of the A.'.A.'. in Whom the Word Takes Flesh Now, o my Son, the Incarnation of a Poet is particular and not Universal; he sayeth indeed true Things, but not the Things of All-Truth. And that these may be said it is necessary that One take human Flesh, and become a Magus in Our Holy Order. He then is called the Logos, or *Logos Aionos*, that is to say, the Word of the AEon or Age, because He is verily That Word. And thus may He be known, because He hath it given unto Him to prepare the Quintessence of the Will of God, that is, of Man, in its Fullness and Wholeness, comprehending all Planes; so that His Law is simple and radical, penetrating all Space from its single Light. For though His Words be many, yet is His Word One, One and Alone; and by this Word he createth Man anew, in an Essential Form of Life, so that he is changed in his inmost Knowledge of himself. And this Change worketh outwards, little by little, unto its visible Effects. crowleys word of the aeon that he understood it was ABRAHADABRA.

Richard 2009-04-19T23:41:01Z Richard http://Alchemical.tribe.net/thread/785454a4-d214-4361-89ea-b20102d7078a#59fd7e50-33ee-43ff-9f7e-aba0b69fd000 2009-04-19T23:33:15Z 2009-04-19T23:33:15Z

" EPHPHATHA" from whom a whence did this word of the aeon come from, or what branch of the order issued it? When was this issued to the world? Im not being a butthead, i am really intrested in that particular subject. what do you think of the LaSHTal formula? The word I revealed was a word that echoed in my experiance of the aethyrs it was an experiance I wanted to open up for personal understanding.For a long time the story of the prince of darkness has scared most or has caused people to be afraid of death because the church wishes to use this term to scare people into believing and I have always been interested in finding out just how much of this story is true.I have searched through many cultures on the Evil one or What many people call the Devil and find most of this story man made to be used to scare or by means of controling the minds of people so when they can say oh well it wasent my fault it was the devil or the favorite speach of a lifetime it was the devils fault he made me do it.Through out history people have used this devil as a blaming mechanizem because people are afraid of admitting it was their own fault for their own action the devil did not make the devil fall but it was by corruption of the mind and absolute power of a GOD that corrupted his being.If you gave a perason this gift here on earth what do you think would happen answer this for yourself.But the true story about this is we all make mistakes but we all learn from them its life and its what makes us grow.The word was spoken by christ and it meant to open the eyes of the spiritualy blinded for enlightnment so all might take off the blindfold and see the evolution twords a possable goal for spiritual evolution but its very real and once obtained it can not only change your life but the effects can last past this life and last forever if you wanted it too.Its true when saying that we can all achieve something great but the path is hard and some will stop triing because it takes the full will of the magician to succeed.To me the story of his fall brought me to tears because it made the story much more interesting to understand and it lets us know, know matter what in life your never alone through your experiances that help is closer than you think the seed of this understanding is planted right within our spirits and it walks with us until we are dead and even in death it still is there.

Richard 2009-04-19T23:33:15Z Richard http://Alchemical.tribe.net/thread/785454a4-d214-4361-89ea-b20102d7078a#2c467db3-e207-4de9-a708-30497d238923 2009-04-19T23:12:57Z 2009-04-19T23:12:57Z

"I believe that has been the magick word for a great many people. Do you mean relative truth or absolute truth? Personally I believe each individual can have their own truth and we don't have to agree on which one is The Truth." No one says they have to agree with anyone or not its not on the basis of saying you agree or disagree like it has been put earlier in this disscussion everyone has their own perception of reality and its by this perception that we either fall or we uncover things that lie hidden to the uninitiated because there are many truths people cannot handle nor understand so there first defence is to deny it or prove it wrong altogether but deep inside they feel a sertain pull twords it and don't know why its by this instinct guiding us that lets us know how close we are to answering this perceptive reality and answering something we all wish to answer but if you are in the right direction you can not only effect change in your enviernment but in the objective as well.This change can be felt in the subjective and then works its way into the objective to let you know.This can be as simple as weather pattern changes if you see a vilent storm moving twords you and you wish to redirect its path or effect other things subjectivley.The one thing that is awesome about real experiances is they sooner or later speak for themselves and if any magician is a magician at all with a true understanding than he can effect not only his subjective universe but the objective too.To me my experiance is my absolute truth because its ongoing and I have shared it with not only my dad but my close friends as well and have given predictions of events waiting to occur and since 1999 watching them slowly unfold not only before me but stunning my friends and parents and some temple orginizations I have written too as well since 1999 because I wanted to see myself how accurate they would be and so far it has not proved me wrong.I am a member of no orginization my path is my own and sometimes I find other people who share in the same experiance but no matter what your experiance is what shapes your life and there are many abilities deep within the spirit of creation all we have to do is learn to listen.

Richard 2009-04-19T23:12:57Z Richard http://Alchemical.tribe.net/thread/785454a4-d214-4361-89ea-b20102d7078a#2e361025-aeb4-4898-824a-6c6065c459c3 2009-04-19T22:05:42Z 2009-04-19T22:05:42Z

"who are you to judge someones sense of reality...who are you to say he is or is not the beast of revelation...he may not be yours but he may be someone elses...there is no such thing as right or wrong...therefore you have no right to judge because everything is just what it is within the flow of life...it is all needed... " Ok first off this is only a discussion "Not" an arguing match over who is judging who.I find crowley to be missleading in his studies thats all its a matter of opinion not no arguing match.One can go in many ways with any study that you deem right for you or if its what your lead too.Crowley had a way with words he had a gift of speach and he used it well to woo the masses.He wrote a book of poetry basically nice sounding and was like water falling on a rose to those who would hear it but to others it was watering a rose with dust and watching the rose decay over time.The rose is a symbol of the magician and the water is a symbol of life.Plato wrote and I luv this quote "People are like dirt.They can either nourish you and help you grow as a person or they can stunt your growth and make you wilt and die" My opinion is just an opinion based on my studies and my experiances thats all no one is judging anyone just telling a matter of opinion.

Richard 2009-04-19T22:05:42Z ~Breeze~ http://Alchemical.tribe.net/thread/785454a4-d214-4361-89ea-b20102d7078a#f9238ef8-c41d-4e9c-b4aa-9ffc264f5005 2009-04-19T10:08:44Z 2009-04-19T10:08:44Z

im gonna check equatorial region times for this...

~Breeze~ 2009-04-19T10:08:44Z Flint http://Alchemical.tribe.net/thread/785454a4-d214-4361-89ea-b20102d7078a#32e56e80-6d3e-4200-b4ec-50156a89c141 2009-04-19T06:31:17Z 2009-04-19T06:31:17Z

63. The fool readeth this Book of the Law, and its comment; & he understandeth it not. 64. Let him come through the first ordeal, & it will be to him as silver. 65. Through the second, gold. 66. Through the third, stones of precious water. 67. Through the fourth, ultimate sparks of the intimate fire. 68. Yet to all it shall seem beautiful. Its enemies who say not so, are mere liars. 69. There is success.

Flint 2009-04-19T06:31:17Z Ron http://Alchemical.tribe.net/thread/785454a4-d214-4361-89ea-b20102d7078a#cce1f844-7dba-4fef-a79a-8ae0c890acaf 2009-04-19T04:58:34Z 2009-04-19T04:58:34Z

With all due respect, these were the times in Denver for March 20, 2009: Sunrise: 7:03am Sunset: 7:11pm Not exactly 6 hours after sunrise, before/after Noon.

Ron 2009-04-19T04:58:34Z Adastra http://Alchemical.tribe.net/thread/785454a4-d214-4361-89ea-b20102d7078a#3081ef9a-0d20-4eca-af4c-79eda93e3d44 2009-04-18T15:36:01Z 2009-04-18T15:36:01Z

>>>it was and is a solar reference<<< Sorry, Holden, I seem to have given the wrong impression here. I never meant to imply that Crowley's rebellion against maternal tyranny was his only reason for his adopting 666 as his personal signature, merely that it seems to have been the original reason. Like all great occultists, he subsequently discovered other and probably better reasons for taking on that persona, but the situation vis-a-vis his mother seems to have been the origin of the idea. I apologize for not making that clear in my original post on the subject. With love under will, Bob, Adastra, The Wizzard of Jacksonville

Adastra 2009-04-18T15:36:01Z ~Breeze~ http://Alchemical.tribe.net/thread/785454a4-d214-4361-89ea-b20102d7078a#7979b08a-6f2c-4768-a950-aa5c4247d233 2009-04-18T11:10:03Z 2009-04-18T11:10:03Z

now *that* is interesting.....

~Breeze~ 2009-04-18T11:10:03Z Holden S. http://Alchemical.tribe.net/thread/785454a4-d214-4361-89ea-b20102d7078a#f7e2a676-7bc7-4a40-b463-26a996bca067 2009-04-18T04:51:02Z 2009-04-18T04:51:02Z

eh...there's a bit more to it than that, Bob. Crowley's other, more serious reason for adopting 666 etc. is that outside its use within the Christian context under discussion, it was and is a solar reference. on the Equinox days, the sunrise occurs 6 hours after midnight, noon occurs 6 hours after that, then sunset occurs 6 hours after that.

Holden S. 2009-04-18T04:51:02Z Adastra http://Alchemical.tribe.net/thread/785454a4-d214-4361-89ea-b20102d7078a#8f9af0db-e53c-42c3-bff7-af67d3b0d2cb 2009-04-18T03:42:53Z 2009-04-18T03:42:53Z

>>>who are you to say he is or is not the beast of revelation<<< Apparently, the whole issue of "The Great Beast", 666 as Crowley's self-chosen title was begun by his overly-pious and fanatically Christianoid mother, who used to tell him when he misbehaved (as children will, ya know) that he was the "Beast of Revelation". After listening to this hyperbole for years, Crowley the adult acted his defiance of parental tyranny by adopting the title as his own and flaunting it publicly to mock his mother's Christianoid delusions. It had nothing to do with bragging about his own evil and everything to do with making fun of his mother's spiteful personality. With love under will, Bob, Adastra, The Wizzard of Jacksonville

Adastra 2009-04-18T03:42:53Z Flint http://Alchemical.tribe.net/thread/785454a4-d214-4361-89ea-b20102d7078a#421d3e4e-0b3e-4909-bb2e-744ac244cdf9 2009-04-18T02:10:15Z 2009-04-18T02:10:15Z

The word is on my main page on tribe for those interested " EPHPHATHA" from whom a whence did this word of the aeon come from, or what branch of the order issued it? When was this issued to the world? Im not being a butthead, i am really intrested in that particular subject. what do you think of the LaSHTal formula?

Flint 2009-04-18T02:10:15Z Flint http://Alchemical.tribe.net/thread/785454a4-d214-4361-89ea-b20102d7078a#83f3fc4e-832d-4bc3-aa22-326cd2f689cd 2009-04-18T02:05:08Z 2009-04-18T02:05:08Z

'and if yall are familur with crowley then you would know he spoke a word for his aeon which did not creat much change.I speak one as well but it will cause change.The initiated will understand this word.It was a phrase that moved me and I got it while scrying the aethyrs.' are you reffering to The Almantrah Working?

Flint 2009-04-18T02:05:08Z Ron http://Alchemical.tribe.net/thread/785454a4-d214-4361-89ea-b20102d7078a#95d14431-80b5-49af-82ff-e23e9cc54852 2009-04-17T20:55:08Z 2009-04-17T20:55:08Z

T.R.U.T.H. I believe that has been the magick word for a great many people. Do you mean relative truth or absolute truth? Personally I believe each individual can have their own truth and we don't have to agree on which one is The Truth.

Ron 2009-04-17T20:55:08Z WhtsUrSgn http://Alchemical.tribe.net/thread/785454a4-d214-4361-89ea-b20102d7078a#7f89d5c6-3218-4a5c-ab91-758d26820901 2009-04-17T17:32:28Z 2009-04-17T17:32:28Z

who are you to judge someones sense of reality...who are you to say he is or is not the beast of revelation...he may not be yours but he may be someone elses...there is no such thing as right or wrong...therefore you have no right to judge because everything is just what it is within the flow of life...it is all needed...

WhtsUrSgn 2009-04-17T17:32:28Z WhtsUrSgn http://Alchemical.tribe.net/thread/785454a4-d214-4361-89ea-b20102d7078a#75149925-f586-46ac-bbff-dae01ecb7895 2009-04-17T17:30:38Z 2009-04-17T17:30:38Z

you can not take this literal

WhtsUrSgn 2009-04-17T17:30:38Z WhtsUrSgn http://Alchemical.tribe.net/thread/785454a4-d214-4361-89ea-b20102d7078a#59ad91af-715b-4bb7-bb06-b4a8c1186442 2009-04-17T17:29:45Z 2009-04-17T17:29:45Z

John...I look deep within...the higherself has ways of sending messages...be it through symbolism, something someone has said, a feeling, a sensation, and sense of knowing. The ego is not involved when one looks without to help sense the knowing within...we have come to a reality where the senses are dominant...so we use them to help us remember what we have forgotten...the mind does get in the way and the mind is connected to the senses...but as alchemy teaches follow and balance will create the proper reality to which we have our individual lessons to learn. By you trying to direct me to go within and assuming I am ego oriented is almost like you yourself are seeing something reflect here...maybe it is something you yourself need to address. I myself have no fear looking within...i live in instinct alone.

WhtsUrSgn 2009-04-17T17:29:45Z Richard http://Alchemical.tribe.net/thread/785454a4-d214-4361-89ea-b20102d7078a#9ecd8404-567d-42ec-9614-6f3a4084a3f2 2009-04-17T09:01:30Z 2009-04-17T09:01:30Z

The word is on my main page on tribe for those interested

Richard 2009-04-17T09:01:30Z Richard http://Alchemical.tribe.net/thread/785454a4-d214-4361-89ea-b20102d7078a#76c349e4-cff5-4ad9-a5a4-40a4027fce14 2009-04-17T09:00:26Z 2009-04-17T09:00:26Z

and if yall are familur with crowley then you would know he spoke a word for his aeon which did not creat much change.I speak one as well but it will cause change.The initiated will understand this word.It was a phrase that moved me and I got it while scrying the aethyrs.

Richard 2009-04-17T09:00:26Z Richard http://Alchemical.tribe.net/thread/785454a4-d214-4361-89ea-b20102d7078a#77292c44-3069-46c6-a518-09e2e78d3f15 2009-04-15T09:51:50Z 2009-04-15T09:51:50Z

I'm not saying crowley was a total nut but his experiance of scrying the aethyrs is what drove him over the edge.I have read alot of crowley and others and see crowley as nothing more than a show who knew how to put his words right to woo the masses.He even tried to open all enochian keys to bring about revelation but failed he made a journal that described he didn't know the key to start it but he presumed itb was the way he was doing it.I have been working with the enochian system and scrying the aethyrs and the experiance is what drove me to writting what I have on my tribe main page.I have seen alot of things and question alot of things I saw ,but the most powerful way of scrying the aethyrs are working them astraly all I can say is there is something great we all can achieve and unlocking this is something worth while and its our greatest inheritance once we open it.The path is hard but the reward is great for those who seek it.There are many mysteries but there are few we all seek " T. R. U. T. H."

Richard 2009-04-15T09:51:50Z Ron http://Alchemical.tribe.net/thread/785454a4-d214-4361-89ea-b20102d7078a#3108dda6-9c72-4dd3-a1b0-c6fc06e1c917 2009-04-13T05:38:17Z 2009-04-13T05:38:17Z

93 Richard: I was watching the movie Jesus, played by Jeremy Sisto and it dawned on me that Jesus life and mission could almost be seen in terms of alchemy. Unless one goes into the deeper rituals of the OTO, one doesn't realize that Horus is the Gnostic Christ, and it all comes back around full circle once again. Love Under Will. Thelema is in the New Testament, Qelema, which mean's WILL in Greek. Peace and Love, Sunwolf Ron Adams Fr Sabaechit

Ron 2009-04-13T05:38:17Z Ron http://Alchemical.tribe.net/thread/785454a4-d214-4361-89ea-b20102d7078a#aa7f6d26-08d8-4232-aa3e-6f7105e436b8 2009-04-13T05:28:35Z 2009-04-13T05:28:35Z

yeah, well crowley knew the power of acting crazy and touching upon taboos to scare away those who would just dilute his teachings. He wanted die-hard students, not those seeking guru's, in my opinion. He was after all a Libra. There are many books out there about Crowley that are just that, yellow journalism, that barely scratches the surface. If the man was such a nut, he wouldn't be remembered or talked about and none of his teachings would matter. He is worth studying.

Ron 2009-04-13T05:28:35Z Ron http://Alchemical.tribe.net/thread/785454a4-d214-4361-89ea-b20102d7078a#80b0abaf-6180-4ba7-819b-771eae30bfc2 2009-04-13T05:25:53Z 2009-04-13T05:25:53Z

Travis: That definitely is another major alchemical key. So's this: AL I,50: "There is a word to say about the Hierophantic task. Behold! there are three ordeals in one, and it may be given in three ways. The gross must pass through fire; let the fine be tried in intellect, and the lofty chosen ones in the highest. Thus ye have star & star, system & system; let not one know well the other!" I always felt both belonged together. Peace, Ron Adams

Ron 2009-04-13T05:25:53Z Adastra http://Alchemical.tribe.net/thread/785454a4-d214-4361-89ea-b20102d7078a#94f5ae21-d0cb-40cd-b87e-df7f90fadde1 2009-04-13T05:24:14Z 2009-04-13T05:24:14Z

>>>I would follow nothing of this book or its values because he was a sad , Lost, crazy, Lunitic whos magick only made him more insane.<<< It is a common human reaction to anything they don't understand to complain that it makes no sense and subsequently to mock the author of it. So what else is new? Has anyone looked at quantum physics lately? Talk about crrrazzzyyyyieee! (But the math all checks out.) With love under will, Bob, Adastra, The Wizzard of Jacksonville

Adastra 2009-04-13T05:24:14Z Ron http://Alchemical.tribe.net/thread/785454a4-d214-4361-89ea-b20102d7078a#11be6090-d804-4da2-9037-cbf1f06d1b62 2009-04-13T05:23:55Z 2009-04-13T05:23:55Z

Holden: Going back to your point, tonight I was doing an I Ching and got the 60th Hexigram, CHIEH, Limitations and found this worth quoting: "Perhaps the first book of the law was the calendar." I love synchronicities like that. I like your idea about how TBOTL relates to alchemy and this actually may be a real key in understanding this wounderous book. Peace and Freedom, Fr Sabaechit Sunwolf Ron Adams

Ron 2009-04-13T05:23:55Z Richard http://Alchemical.tribe.net/thread/785454a4-d214-4361-89ea-b20102d7078a#1afb1682-5978-4237-9c2c-ea20eb1d993c 2009-04-13T03:19:17Z 2009-04-13T03:19:17Z

Ok my views on the book of the law. 1st thing crowley was a drug induced idiot and spent most of his time on drugs and most of his inspiration came from being messed up personaly I would follow nothing of this book or its values because he was a sad , Lost, crazy, Lunitic whos magick only made him more insane. 2nd He claimed to be the beast of revelation HAHAHA what an idiot.He couldn't even open the enochian keys right and misinterprating the words alltogether.Some claim that this book was written by an egyptian GOD named set and I laugh at these idiots.He was not a real prophet nor was his system authentic.He stole his system and redefined it as to confuse others.It would be different if his system was made by him and no one else.Blending egyptian with anything is nuts we all know the egyptian gods were just but mere people pharos actually who by alchemy and other means of healing made people look up to them like GODS. For anyone interested in this book just needs to sit infron of a fireplace and throw it in thats how much its worth.I can say the egyptian Gods now days are just symbols of meaning and people use these to describe things secret.There is alot out there but look somewere else this book of the law or anything crowley has to offer is a waist of time to the serious practicing magician.I can say one thing the Enochian system works but was mainly invented by both dee and kelly to hide their alchemy secrets and other things I will not go into here.The launguage of enochian can be broke down mathmatically and the secrets of which are facinating.But leave crowley out of the magickal library alltogether.

Richard 2009-04-13T03:19:17Z Flint http://Alchemical.tribe.net/thread/785454a4-d214-4361-89ea-b20102d7078a#f6b991cc-0fff-4ad9-bc14-13e864c0632c 2009-04-12T18:34:52Z 2009-04-12T18:34:52Z

''"64. Let him come through the first ordeal, & it will be to him as silver. 65. Through the second, gold. 66. Through the third, stones of precious water. 67. Through the fourth, ultimate sparks of the intimate fire. " -regarding the alchemical transformation of one's perception in relation to the Book of the Law. from Liber Al chapter 3 ONE HUGE BINGO! :)

Flint 2009-04-12T18:34:52Z Ron http://Alchemical.tribe.net/thread/785454a4-d214-4361-89ea-b20102d7078a#3e5725b4-ef37-4e17-b4a8-58a359a91154 2009-04-12T07:46:10Z 2009-04-12T07:46:10Z

93 I've read the Book of the Law every year, since 1986. Each time I read it I glean something new, on a new level. I feel that the 3 chapters are innoculations of one another. I pity the fool who literally follows chapter 3, because death is the final enemy and battle for all to overcome. The Law is For All. What is your personal value of life? How strong is your willpower to live love freedom peace? NOTHING is the real key. 61 Peace and freedom Fr Sabaechit Sunwolf Ron Adams

Ron 2009-04-12T07:46:10Z Adastra http://Alchemical.tribe.net/thread/785454a4-d214-4361-89ea-b20102d7078a#70f1d7a2-49aa-4395-91a7-cf5ba9607b92 2009-04-12T04:17:06Z 2009-04-12T04:17:06Z

Also, Crowley's whole magickal system was built on initiation, a process best expressed by the alchemical formula, Solve et coagula. In initiation, the candidate is placed in a vulnerable state and made nervous or even a bit frightened. He/she soon realizes he/he is in the hands of a group of strangers whose motives and actions seem mysterious and at least vaguely threatening. The regular order of the inner life breaks down (solve), then the candidate is taken through transformative experiences, that are intended to coagulate the prima materia in a new, more refined and more efficient form--if the initiation is properly done. It is important to be sure that the initiators are trustworthy and well-disposed to the candidate or the result may well be a Manson family or a Jonestown mass suicide. The three-stage formula is the one Crowley called the formula of IAO, the I representing the initial "Isis" phase of the work, the A standing for the Apophis, the difficult and scary stage, with the O signaling the final, triumphant stage, the rebirth into a new, spiritual life coming down from above. In fact the oft-touted "new birth" of modern Christianoid pseudo-Christianity actually means "the birth from above" in the Greek new Testament, the Greek word "anothen", meaning literally "from above." The reason there is an extra stage in this formula is that the IAO is intended for self-initiation. It takes longer and includes an additional stage, but it gets you there just the same. After this we have the four or five stage formula of the elements, symoblized by the Tetragrammaton or the 4-letter divine name with a fifth letter, YHVH or YHShVH, the Father and the Son, or YHVShH, the daughter. Beyond these are the 7 letter planetary initiations indicated by VITRIOL. And the 12-stage formula with the 7 alchemical planets represented, the 12 stages given in the list of the 12 standard processes and the 84 stage formula combining the 7 and the 12, 7 X 12 = 84. Other formulae are possible depending on how many qualities of each planet we wish to acquire, but this study is left as an exercise for the student--as Crowley often said. We might also consider a ten stage formula for the qabbalistic Sephiroth or a 22-stage for the paths on the Tree of Life, but for the paths, I find the Yichudim of Abraham Abulafia are a useful approach, though time-consuming. In brief, every magickal formula is an alchemical formula if you study it closely and they all resolve to the simplest form of solve et coagula. It all depends on how detailed we want to make our efforts. Presumably much more complex processes are possible, but first we'd better find the Stone of the Wise and gain eternal life or we will run out of time for the most complex operations. With love under will, Bob, Adastra, The Wizzard of Jacksonville

Adastra 2009-04-12T04:17:06Z arun http://Alchemical.tribe.net/thread/785454a4-d214-4361-89ea-b20102d7078a#7344b4b6-c31f-475c-818c-8a97383b284b 2008-12-21T21:33:01Z 2008-12-21T21:33:01Z

"64. Let him come through the first ordeal, & it will be to him as silver. 65. Through the second, gold. 66. Through the third, stones of precious water. 67. Through the fourth, ultimate sparks of the intimate fire. " -regarding the alchemical transformation of one's perception in relation to the Book of the Law. from Liber Al chapter 3

arun 2008-12-21T21:33:01Z vercifyr http://Alchemical.tribe.net/thread/785454a4-d214-4361-89ea-b20102d7078a#f8cc1dd4-aca4-49c6-8095-93ac84ecdc93 2008-12-21T08:46:27Z 2008-12-21T08:46:27Z

greetings brother ....just as there are many opinions/theories on who and what was A.C.; there are just as many for said book. getting feedback is healthy but in the end you must meet this curiousness head on by reading it complete & what the book says to you. As you stated, you will judge for yourself....blessed be, v

vercifyr 2008-12-21T08:46:27Z Ron http://Alchemical.tribe.net/thread/785454a4-d214-4361-89ea-b20102d7078a#83f4e2bb-f57c-4700-897a-c04633194f43 2008-12-21T07:18:37Z 2008-12-21T07:18:37Z

93 Yes, for me the Book of the Law is sort of an alchemical tool. When I first read it, it was like an innoculation, a wake up call from all the cultural bullshit that I use to believe or was brought up to believe. I developed my own process, from reading it, which I coined the term ReVision process, where I would take two or three opposing viewpoints and hold them simulatenously in my mind. The result was a synthesis of sorts, very alchemical for me. I tend to see the three chapters in that way, as a sort of positive, negative and neutral polarities. Later I read Kenneth Grant and then Scribe Nema, with her Liber P, and felt this aligned with my proces and vision of what the purpose of Liber AL is. I have never taken The Book of the Law literally in all aspects, and some times I do take some of it literally. At other times I take it metaphorically, symbollically, and at other times i reject it all. I've read it multiple times, and it always amazes me how it reveals something new, and I never read it the same way twice. Its definitely a dogma buster. Peace, Ron Adams Sunwolf Frater Sabaechit

Ron 2008-12-21T07:18:37Z John http://Alchemical.tribe.net/thread/785454a4-d214-4361-89ea-b20102d7078a#7ae96a43-02c2-4ee4-98f8-ee64135e6f5c 2008-12-17T17:51:37Z 2008-12-17T17:51:12Z

I am not a thelemite but i found AC writings inspiring and interesting. The description you posted on spiritual alchemy is truely accurate. Now, you should act as the description says.One thing that you should consider in your quest is not to use your ego to judge the work of somebody. Instead of looking for outside opinion, I would suggest you to look from within. Make your research on the Man, read a book. Whatever way people see Aleister Crowley should not influence or change your path anr/or choices. Personally, i found a lot of answers in the book LIBER OS ABYSMI VEL DAATH SUB FIGURÂ CDLXXIV. The book of law is interesting as well but will be more interesting to thelemites. My advice is whatever choice you make, should not be Ego-Based as one of the first and most difficult steps in alchemy is death to the ego.

John 2008-12-17T17:51:12Z Flint http://Alchemical.tribe.net/thread/785454a4-d214-4361-89ea-b20102d7078a#16c92965-4237-4e97-a1a4-3221bc2df473 2008-12-17T02:49:56Z 2008-12-17T02:49:56Z

And on an aside, Aleister Crowley used alchemical symbolism and analogy in nearly every extensive article he wrote. So, he is germane and relevant.

Flint 2008-12-17T02:49:56Z Flint http://Alchemical.tribe.net/thread/785454a4-d214-4361-89ea-b20102d7078a#9c5432d1-769b-4c9c-81fb-cf2a10962d5b 2008-12-17T02:48:23Z 2008-12-17T02:48:23Z

Crowley interchanged a few important process', so it is relevant what crowley regarded as the mercury, the salt and so on, he had very specific spiritual and metaphoric reasons to reassign a few of the basic premises of transformation, all of which are highly relevant to the practice of alchemy in the non chemical usage. Many of the issues involves congealing and solidification of the substrate.

Flint 2008-12-17T02:48:23Z WhtsUrSgn http://Alchemical.tribe.net/thread/785454a4-d214-4361-89ea-b20102d7078a#dd3f1c9f-1d63-4ac9-942c-f0dd31806c37 2008-09-17T04:17:02Z 2008-09-17T04:17:02Z

Well from my perspective Crowley has a lot to do with "alchemy". At least when I define what "alchemy" is like Osho does in the following post. Everything has energy - fear, anger, jealousy, hate. You are unaware of the fact that all these things are wasting your life. Your energy is leaking from so many holes. This way you are going to become, sooner or later, bankrupt. In fact, most people become bankrupt by the age of thirty. After that there is nothing: it is a posthumonous life, dragging on somehow towards the grave. You have to face fear. And do the same with anger, do the same with jealousy, do the same with hatred. And a significant point to remember is: if you witness anything - fear, anger, hate - if you simply watch them as they arise, without any judgement or condemnation, they will disappear, leaving a tremendous amount of energy that you can use for creativity. You will have to use it,; the leaks have disappeared, and you will be overflowing with energy. But if you witness your love, compassion, kindness, humbleness, they will not disappear. They also have a tremendous energy, but the more you witness them the stronger they will become in you; they will overwhelm you. So this is the criterion to decide what is right and what is wrong. If by witnessing, something disappears, leaving all its energy to you, it was wrong. I don't give you read made, labeled things: "This is wrong and this is right, this you have to do, and not to do." I don't give you ten commandments. I give you the whole secret of spiritual life: witness, watch, be aware. If the thing disappears and leaves a great amount of energy behind it, it was wrong. If by witnessing the phenomenon become even bigger, love becomes more Himalayan, that means this is the good you have been searching for. If you become more sensitive to the beauty, to poetry, that means your love has blossomed. And all the energy that was being used by fear, anger, and hate will be taken over by your love, your sensitivity, your compassion, your creativity. This is the whole alchemy of changing base metals into gold. This is what alchemists were really doing, but because of Christianity they could not say it openly. This is one of the sad things about religions, that rather than helping really religious people, they prevent them. So the alchemists in Europe found a device to deceive the pope and his agents. They had small labs in which there were many tubes and bottles, many colored liquids, and stoves. It gave the appearance that they were doing something material, that they were scientists, that they were not mystics - because mystic was dangerous to the pope, the mystic was dangerous to organized religion. These people were just trying to change base metals into gold; that was perfectly good. In fact, if they succeeded, then they would be in the service of the Church. So they could work with the blessings of the pope. But this was behind the scenes. Being scientists was just the superficial mask. They were not doing anything; not a single gram of bas metal was changed into gold in hundred of years. Can't you see? All those bottles and tubes and water with many colors passing from one into another - that was simply to hide behind. And who is not interested in changing base metal into gold? Everybody was interested. Alchemists were respected for their facade. What they were actually doing was of a different dimension. They were actually trying to change fear, anger, hatred, into love, compassion, creativity, sensitivity. They were trying to bring a transformation in the soul of man. So this is the basic alchemy: you watch, witness without any judgment. There is no need of any judgment. That which is wrong will disappear, leaving a great energy behind. And that which is good will become bigger and will start absorbing the energies that have been left; only a great fragrance of love, light, and laughter remains behind. OSHO "The Book of Understanding" Alchemy On that note...I was curious what others thought of Crowley before I decided to do any further research. ~peace

WhtsUrSgn 2008-09-17T04:17:02Z Holden S. http://Alchemical.tribe.net/thread/785454a4-d214-4361-89ea-b20102d7078a#beea9983-02cb-4bae-900a-0659c6822456 2008-09-17T03:40:55Z 2008-09-17T03:40:55Z

i don't mean to get snarky or anything, but please can we stay ON TOPIC by focusing on how the Book of the Law relates to the topic of this tribe, which is alchemy?

Holden S. 2008-09-17T03:40:55Z MaryEllen http://Alchemical.tribe.net/thread/785454a4-d214-4361-89ea-b20102d7078a#dc76b10f-7066-45cf-9fcb-abc7040b78d1 2008-09-16T19:46:54Z 2008-09-16T19:46:54Z

The teachings within this small book are expressed as the Law of Thelema, usually encapsulated by these two phrases: "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law" (AL I:40) and "Love is the law, love under will" (AL I:57) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Book_of_the_Law all-ways, mem

MaryEllen 2008-09-16T19:46:54Z WhtsUrSgn http://Alchemical.tribe.net/thread/785454a4-d214-4361-89ea-b20102d7078a#291819a1-7dd8-43f1-bb4e-8dc5ed900bda 2008-09-16T19:14:28Z 2008-09-16T19:14:28Z

Aleister Crowley is said to be a true prophet in the same sense that Jesus, Mohammed, and Buddha are. He said to be the prophet of the Aeon of the Crowned and Conquering Child. Supposedly Crowley received "The Book of the Law" from the Being Aiwass. OK so all I want to know is who here has read "The Book of Law" and what is it that Aleister is saying our Spiritual Laws are for this Aeon...basically the laws of ascension for the next 2000 yrs or so. I have heard many very skewed perceptions on Crowley some claiming he is an cult leader others a prophet. Id like to judge for myself but Im curious who has read this book "The Book of Law".

WhtsUrSgn 2008-09-16T19:14:28Z