Tribe.net. Local Connections Richard http://Alchemical.tribe.net/thread/0fe19b49-4787-4c38-9898-a999409bd0e1#64e5e5ee-40bf-406d-b670-fe1cb3220a9a 2009-05-08T18:40:26Z 2009-05-08T18:40:26Z

I wrote this on page 2 of this tribe it was inspiring and it was part of the experience I had.Its almost like the book of the law.Its part of the Aethyr experience and the voice thunders still in my visions. "The Voice within" OH MAN HOW GREAT YOU ARE WITHIN THE DEPTHS OF THE SPIRIT AND HOW SLOW YOU ARE TO LEARN.I DWELL WITHIN WAITING FOR THOSE WHO ASK OF ME CALLING ME BY FATHER BECAUSE ALL OF MANKIND ARE MY SONS AND DAUGHTERS AND THERE IS SOMETHING GREAT AWAITING YOU.I HAVE SEEN THE FOLLIES OF MAN LONG ENOUGH AND MY SPIRIT IS BEGINNING TO SHAKE THE EARTH FOR ATTENTION.THE SIGNS OF MY BEING WITHIN ALL ARE TOUCHING THE BOUNDARIES OF REALITY SHAKING ALL OF CREATION BECAUSE TIME IS SHORT.SEARCH THE STARS FOR THE VOICE HAS SUNDERED THE HEAVENS AND THE DOOR TO MY KINGDOM IS OPENED TO THOSE WHO SEEK ITS TRUTH.I AM KNOWN TO YOU AS THE SECRET FLAME EVER BURNING AND GUIDING MANKIND TO SOMETHING GREATER BUT MAN DOES NOT SEE IT DUE TO HIS EYES FILLED WITH MUD AND SOUL IS PONDERING THE DARKNESS BECAUSE MAN FOLLOWS MAN AND SEEKS NOT TRUTH BUT FALSE DIRECTION.I HAVE SAID IN THE PAST I STAND IN THE DARKNESS REACHING OUT FOR THOSE LOST BECAUSE BY MY LIGHT I CAN WIPE THE MUD AWAY AND LIFT YOU TO A HIGHER POSITION THAT I HAVE DONE IN THE PAST BUT OTHERS WOULD FALL BECAUSE OF IT THEREFORE ITS A HIGH RESPONSIBILITY. MAN FALLS AWAY BUT IT WILL BE BROUGHT BACK FROM ITS ILLUSION AND IT WILL KNOW TRUTH ONCE MORE.KNOW THIS THAT MY SPIRIT IS SHAKING REALITY AND FAMINES ARE CLOSE AT HAND.WILL MAN THEN LISTEN OR WILL HE STILL TURN FROM MY VOICE WITHIN.THE WEATHER IS MY DOING AND I CONTROL ALL THAT YOU SEE AND TOUCH.I KNOW THERE ARE CRY'S WITHIN THIS PLACE AND MY SPIRIT IS WITH ALL OF YOU.THE EARTH IS UNDERGOING A CHANGE NOT ONLY PHYSICALLY BUT SPIRITUALLY AND THOSE ATTUNED TO IT WILL KNOW WHAT I SAY.MAN HAS ABUSED THE EARTH AND THE EARTH IS FIGHTING BACK WILL MAN LISTEN.AS THE EARTH QUAKES AND STORMS GROW FOR THOSE WHO LISTEN TO TRUTH WILL NOT BE AFFECTED.THERE ARE GREAT DISASTERS AWAITING AND THE FLAMING LION FROM ABOVE IS COMING WHO'S TAIL WILL SHAKE THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH WHO'S BEING IS LIKE A STONE AND WILL BE THROWN TO MANKIND BECAUSE MAN DOES NOT LISTEN.THEREFOR WATCH AND YOU WILL SEE AND KNOW BY WHAT I SAY TO YOU NOW AND WHAT IS TO COME.FAMINE DISEASE AND A HARSH LASHING TO THOSE WHO KNOW TRUTH AND STILL TURN OR CONFUSE OTHERS BY THERE DECEPTION.FOR WHAT FATHER DOES NOT PUNISH HIS CHILDREN WHEN THEY DO NOT LISTEN BUT THIS IS NOT TO MAKE YOU SCARED BUT TO THINK AND BY SEEING IT HAPPENING IT WILL CAUSE YOU TO KNOW WHAT I SAY IS TRUE.I AM CALLING TO ALL AND THOSE CHOOSING TO LISTEN WILL BE WISE IN THERE LEANINGS AND TAKE HEED FOR NOW IS THE TIME TO RISE AND UNDERSTAND FOR WHY I HAVE CALLED YOU.TEST ME TO BE WRONG AND I WILL SHOW YOU BY DREAM WHAT I PLAN TO DO.KNOW THIS THAT REALITY IS CRACKED AND ITS SLOWLY FALLING APART WILL YOU BE APART OF ITS FALLING OR WILL YOU RISE TO SOMETHING GREAT SIT IN THE SILENCE OF A FLAME AND TALK TO ME WITH YOUR HEART OPENED AND I WILL SET YOUR SOUL ON FIRE TO FEEL THE FLAME WITHIN AND THEN YOU WILL KNOW THAT THESE WORDS ARE TRUE.I REACH OUT MY HAND TO ALL MANKIND AND EMBRACE ITS BEING TO LET IT KNOW THESE THINGS THAT ARE TAKING PLACE ARE ONLY TO LET YOU KNOW I AM HERE AND CALL FROM THE VOICE WITHIN.

Richard 2009-05-08T18:40:26Z Richard http://Alchemical.tribe.net/thread/0fe19b49-4787-4c38-9898-a999409bd0e1#36a77218-7806-43e6-b936-fb4c405335e7 2009-05-08T18:05:39Z 2009-05-08T18:05:39Z

Yep and I have also read the book of the law by crowley.Interesting poetry though the secret is hidden behind egyptian gods the meaning is still the same and close.For in our hearts we are all brothers and let us join in this Cause for every magician stands to take the blindfold off and lift their eyes to something great.Let us live in peace with each other and join in the same fight.And that is TRUTH and a will to change and the power to know the difference. may phasmatis patefacio nostrum eyes ut nos may animadverto quod tribuo nos a mens ut nos may agnosco quod ops victum obstaculum ut sto in nostrum via.

Richard 2009-05-08T18:05:39Z Flint http://Alchemical.tribe.net/thread/0fe19b49-4787-4c38-9898-a999409bd0e1#7e7cfa2d-5a9a-4fed-b112-4879a15bc50a 2009-05-08T17:17:21Z 2009-05-08T17:17:21Z

Thanks for sharing, here's some verses for you too. 1. Had! The manifestation of Nuit. 2. The unveiling of the company of heaven. 3. Every man and every woman is a star. 4. Every number is infinite; there is no difference. 5. Help me, o warrior lord of Thebes, in my unveiling before the Children of men! 6. Be thou Hadit, my secret centre, my heart & my tongue! 7. Behold! it is revealed by Aiwass the minister of Hoor-paar-kraat. 8. The Khabs is in the Khu, not the Khu in the Khabs. 9. Worship then the Khabs, and behold my light shed over you! 10. Let my servants be few & secret: they shall rule the many & the known. 11. These are fools that men adore; both their Gods & their men are fools. 12. Come forth, o children, under the stars, & take your fill of love! 13. I am above you and in you. My ecstasy is in yours. My joy is to see your joy. 14. Above, the gemmed azure is The naked splendour of Nuit; She bends in ecstasy to kiss The secret ardours of Hadit. The winged globe, the starry blue, Are mine, O Ankh-af-na-khonsu! 15. Now ye shall know that the chosen priest & apostle of infinite space is the prince-priest the Beast; and in his woman called the Scarlet Woman is all power given. They shall gather my children into their fold: they shall bring the glory of the stars into the hearts of men. 16. For he is ever a sun, and she a moon. But to him is the winged secret flame, and to her the stooping starlight. 50. There is a word to say about the Hierophantic task. Behold! there are three ordeals in one, and it may be given in three ways. The gross must pass through fire; let the fine be tried in intellect, and the lofty chosen ones in the highest. Thus ye have star & star, system & system; let not one know well the other! 51. There are four gates to one palace; the floor of that palace is of silver and gold; lapis lazuli & jasper are there; and all rare scents; jasmine & rose, and the emblems of death. Let him enter in turn or at once the four gates; let him stand on the floor of the palace. Will he not sink? Amn. Ho! warrior, if thy servant sink? But there are means and means. Be goodly therefore: dress ye all in fine apparel; eat rich foods and drink sweet wines and wines that foam! Also, take your fill and will of love as ye will, when, where and with whom ye will! But always unto me. (from chapter 1) 27. There is great danger in me; for who doth not understand these runes shall make a great miss. He shall fall down into the pit called Because, and there he shall perish with the dogs of Reason. 28. Now a curse upon Because and his kin! 29. May Because be accursed for ever! 30. If Will stops and cries Why, invoking Because, then Will stops & does nought. 31. If Power asks why, then is Power weakness. 32. Also reason is a lie; for there is a factor infinite & unknown; & all their words are skew-wise. 33. Enough of Because! Be he damned for a dog! 58. Yea! deem not of change: ye shall be as ye are, & not other. Therefore the kings of the earth shall be Kings for ever: the slaves shall serve. There is none that shall be cast down or lifted up: all is ever as it was. Yet there are masked ones my servants: it may be that yonder beggar is a King. A King may choose his garment as he will: there is no certain test: but a beggar cannot hide his poverty. (from chapter 2) 17. Fear not at all; fear neither men nor Fates, nor gods, nor anything. Money fear not, nor laughter of the folk folly, nor any other power in heaven or upon the earth or under the earth. Nu is your refuge as Hadit your light; and I am the strength, force, vigour, of your arms. 42. The ordeals thou shalt oversee thyself, save only the blind ones. Refuse none, but thou shalt know & destroy the traitors. I am Ra-Hoor-Khuit; and I am powerful to protect my servant. Success is thy proof: argue not; convert not; talk not over much! Them that seek to entrap thee, to overthrow thee, them attack without pity or quarter; & destroy them utterly. Swift as a trodden serpent turn and strike! Be thou yet deadlier than he! Drag down their souls to awful torment: laugh at their fear: spit upon them! (from chapter three) of Liber Al vel Legis, Subfigura CCXX, The Book Of The Law now we have shared with each other. we each learned something.

Flint 2009-05-08T17:17:21Z Richard http://Alchemical.tribe.net/thread/0fe19b49-4787-4c38-9898-a999409bd0e1#6687e520-d1c9-419e-b912-36970d342098 2009-05-08T17:03:58Z 2009-05-08T17:03:58Z

And here is the definition of Heir on Galatians 4 heir    /ɛər/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [air] Show IPA –noun 1. a person who inherits or has a right of inheritance in the property of another following the latter's death. Now look again on my page near the bottom under the title "philosophers stone" and see why it is so hard to just sit around and do nothing.Its an awesome goal and its a real goal that can be accomplished.I got my experience if you know anything about it on my "Enochian Aethyr" ritual I scried the Aethyrs in the astral and the experience I got was beyond words but it empowered me.I am also writting a book soon about it.And its not the difference of opinion that matters its how we can put all matters behind us and just live with one another without worrying about opinion and treat others like they were our own family.I am tired of seeing wars and people killing each other.I do my rituals to call GOD himself into the matter to not sit quietly any more but to shake the earth till people understand that they need to get along and they need to understand who their Spiritual Father is> Of course I cry to the GOD who is above all including the son.And to do this is an experience worth achieving.

Richard 2009-05-08T17:03:58Z Richard http://Alchemical.tribe.net/thread/0fe19b49-4787-4c38-9898-a999409bd0e1#cc2a65e6-8083-4910-aa28-1ba73d0faa17 2009-05-08T16:50:03Z 2009-05-08T16:50:03Z

I have a few verses for you to look at and If I did not care I would not give them out but I am just touched by this experience and its hard to just sit around and not share what I have found. Ephesians 1:17-23 17I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you the Spirit[a] of wisdom and revelation, so that you may know him better. 18I pray also that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened in order that you may know the hope to which he has called you, the riches of his glorious inheritance in the saints, 19and his incomparably great power for us who believe. That power is like the working of his mighty strength, 20which he exerted in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms, 21far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every title that can be given, not only in the present age but also in the one to come. 22And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, 23which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way. Galatians 4:4-7 4But when the time had fully come, God sent his Son, born of a woman, born under law, 5to redeem those under law, that we might receive the full rights of sons. 6Because you are sons, God sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, the Spirit who calls out, "Abba,[a] Father." 7So you are no longer a slave, but a son; and since you are a son, God has made you also an heir. 1 Corinthians 15:24-28 24Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. 25For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27For he "has put everything under his feet."[a] Now when it says that "everything" has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. 28When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all. psalm 2 1 Why do the nations conspire [a] and the peoples plot in vain? 2 The kings of the earth take their stand and the rulers gather together against the LORD and against his Anointed One. [b] 3 "Let us break their chains," they say, "and throw off their fetters." 4 The One enthroned in heaven laughs; the Lord scoffs at them. 5 Then he rebukes them in his anger and terrifies them in his wrath, saying, 6 "I have installed my King [c] on Zion, my holy hill." 7 I will proclaim the decree of the LORD : He said to me, "You are my Son [d] ; today I have become your Father. [e] 8 Ask of me, and I will make the nations your inheritance, the ends of the earth your possession. 9 You will rule them with an iron scepter [f] ; you will dash them to pieces like pottery." 10 Therefore, you kings, be wise; be warned, you rulers of the earth. 11 Serve the LORD with fear and rejoice with trembling. 12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry and you be destroyed in your way, for his wrath can flare up in a moment. Blessed are all who take refuge in him Psalm 8( in god the father putting everything under his son christ.) 1 O LORD, our Lord, how majestic is your name in all the earth! You have set your glory above the heavens. 2 From the lips of children and infants you have ordained praise [b] because of your enemies, to silence the foe and the avenger. 3 When I consider your heavens, the work of your fingers, the moon and the stars, which you have set in place, 4 what is man that you are mindful of him, the son of man that you care for him? 5 You made him a little lower than the heavenly beings [c] and crowned him with glory and honor. 6 You made him ruler over the works of your hands; you put everything under his feet: 7 all flocks and herds, and the beasts of the field, 8 the birds of the air, and the fish of the sea, all that swim the paths of the seas. 9 O LORD, our Lord, how majestic is your name in all the earth! How much more do I need to show you that yes christ is the son of GOD and this I do not denounce.But calling christ GOD I do not.I just wanted to share this.

Richard 2009-05-08T16:50:03Z Flint http://Alchemical.tribe.net/thread/0fe19b49-4787-4c38-9898-a999409bd0e1#b656b3bf-d923-4a7c-8dbd-d19b06c643a6 2009-05-08T16:01:43Z 2009-05-08T16:01:43Z

You made my point for me. Have a great journey, and thank you for sharing your point of view. :)

Flint 2009-05-08T16:01:43Z Richard http://Alchemical.tribe.net/thread/0fe19b49-4787-4c38-9898-a999409bd0e1#f2f30760-5a7b-46e8-bb89-ff75da7a9271 2009-05-08T08:03:45Z 2009-05-08T08:03:45Z

Yea and your point?You can try to define it how you will and like I said it is not under christian, they believe totaly different.And I threw this verse out there because it also shows christ was not perfect.I am sorry you do not like what I'm studying but you can't knock what you don't know nor understand.But you can stay with whatever instincts you choose and label you choose but it doesn't make you right.I go by experiences and personal things that have empowered my life to change not only my path but I have encounter'd something that is far above your understanding.Theres a difference at least I'm not arguing about my beliefs and I care nothing what others may think you can either like it or turn away and go to whatever guides you.I can tell you haven't had much personal experience other than your life fading.And when it does you will look back and think about your words really close.In life we choose our destiny and paths and the outcome is what makes us grow at least I have the guts to stand up for what I believe in do you?

Richard 2009-05-08T08:03:45Z Flint http://Alchemical.tribe.net/thread/0fe19b49-4787-4c38-9898-a999409bd0e1#539c79f8-b151-45a8-b5f6-eea9df339167 2009-05-07T17:53:25Z 2009-05-07T17:53:25Z

'i do not catagorize my study under chiristian at all.'' ''Hebrews 5:7-10 7During the days of Jesus' life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission. 8Although he was a son, he learned obedience from what he suffered 9and, once made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey him 10and was designated by God to be high priest in the order of Melchizedek. " ''I can back up my studies with verses'' +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Anyway, i kinda stick with my original feeling. Have a good day. ''Hebrews 5:7-10 anyway,

Flint 2009-05-07T17:53:25Z Richard http://Alchemical.tribe.net/thread/0fe19b49-4787-4c38-9898-a999409bd0e1#e675329b-97e5-4490-ab39-3465ee130bc5 2009-05-07T06:47:17Z 2009-05-07T06:47:17Z

>>I take exception to your summary dismissal of things you obviously have had no experience with. Being an AIDS patient, i find your pushed and aggressive christian philosophy to be demeaning. It comes off more as a personal judgment and appraisal of people different than yourself on a personal and religious level.>> First off my experience is not an aggressive philosophy and its based on 12yrs of study and personal experiences.Second the a.i.d.s research I am doing is taking the a.i.d.s virus and mutating it to kill itself.Theres an old term fight fire with fire. But I do not categorize my study under christian at all.I am just bring out the truth behind the lie that has been lying hidden for centuries.I think it should be known and I'm sorry you have a negative opinion on something you do not understand.But thanx for your opinion I am further trying to open up mans ultimate achievement if the goal is met I feel its worth studying and putting out.I choose to not hide it like other underground organizations.And I know that I'm not the only one who shares this opinion at least I can back up my studies with verses and I have other things that I will not go into here.But again thnx for your opinion.

Richard 2009-05-07T06:47:17Z g'reg http://Alchemical.tribe.net/thread/0fe19b49-4787-4c38-9898-a999409bd0e1#285c164e-a679-4087-81a8-5980b4c82ce8 2009-05-05T14:16:30Z 2009-05-05T14:16:30Z

"my definiton of magick is excepting things as they are and stop trying to change it. " forgive me, but there are many things about the world, other people, and myself that I don't feel that I should just accept. I also feel that I should, at the very least, try to change things about myself that I am not pleased with. Isn't *that* magick? I see the things I want to change, and I work toward attaining that goal. I feel that by starting with myself, I can then affect the world and maybe even other people. Isn't transformation a big part of magick?

g'reg 2009-05-05T14:16:30Z Flint http://Alchemical.tribe.net/thread/0fe19b49-4787-4c38-9898-a999409bd0e1#e0afd166-bd5d-4fa1-9312-56820a3d9cc4 2009-05-04T03:53:06Z 2009-05-04T03:53:06Z

'And who would want to wear this junk and look like an idiot.To me you don't need to wear anything to help with no sort of super conductor energy manipulation trans conductor super outfit to Indus nothing of any biomelecular intensity super field aura I could go on.This stuff is a bunch of garbage and to others who see you wear it it makes us laugh. ' '.My goal in alchemy is I'm working on a cure for A.I.D.S. I seek to take alchemy to a different level. ' I take exception to your summary dismissal of things you obviously have had no experience with. Being an AIDS patient, i find your pushed and aggressive christian philosophy to be demeaning. It comes off more as a personal judgment and appraisal of people different than yourself on a personal and religious level. And i would like you to pay attention - close attention - i used gold and platinum solutions to restore my immune system and keep it in functioning order. Go look at one of my album pictures - i have had aids for nearly 20 years. only 5 of those years used medications from the doctor. 15 used my solutions of precious metals and minerals. My doctor has made a case study of me and admits that he feels the metals were what kept me in health. in fact, i am healthier and younger than before i got sick. and the difference was these BIOMOLECULAR, SUPERCONDUCTING TRACE MINERAL METTALICS. So dismiss it for yourself, thats your business. perfection is a word that is nearly impossible for there to be one concensus description of. It those things you say, and its many more as well. It is more than we can fit into our cognitive functions, because we cannot fit the perception fields of others within our own until a certain point has been passed.

Flint 2009-05-04T03:53:06Z Richard http://Alchemical.tribe.net/thread/0fe19b49-4787-4c38-9898-a999409bd0e1#89d0a9e4-75d4-4afa-ba1f-511702374db0 2009-05-04T03:32:43Z 2009-05-04T03:32:43Z

Interesting.The body rushes are the spirit too.In fact it is known as the secret flame ignited within the effects feel like the kundalini experience at times.But the body rushes are the spirit as well I was not putting this down.And I'm no preacher I'm just a dreamer making the dream a reality by the will of the spirit through ritual.The only thing I'm after is trying to figure out the weird language being spoken in dream.The closest I have to come to the sound is enochian but I'm still searching.

Richard 2009-05-04T03:32:43Z Ron http://Alchemical.tribe.net/thread/0fe19b49-4787-4c38-9898-a999409bd0e1#6953b207-7dd0-4217-86ca-2f360f5427bd 2009-05-03T03:26:36Z 2009-05-03T03:26:36Z

crowley was a poet too and he was a dreamer, try reading the book of the law as a dream, and not as scripture. W. B. Yeats also wrote his own TBOTL, called A Vision. the synchronicity with Crowley and his wife Rose, was that Yeats jotting down the mutters of his wife, George while she was dreaming, using it as Automatic Script.

Ron 2009-05-03T03:26:36Z Ron http://Alchemical.tribe.net/thread/0fe19b49-4787-4c38-9898-a999409bd0e1#af07391b-e94c-4996-8504-947d58e953c0 2009-05-03T03:23:02Z 2009-05-03T03:23:02Z

but then again I am a poet and you are a preacher. Kudos.

Ron 2009-05-03T03:23:02Z Ron http://Alchemical.tribe.net/thread/0fe19b49-4787-4c38-9898-a999409bd0e1#f2fd0352-a71f-4f68-8991-074053067138 2009-05-03T03:22:28Z 2009-05-03T03:22:28Z

oh, yeah that should read, spirit is reminding me its there through the body rushes and shadows.

Ron 2009-05-03T03:22:28Z Ron http://Alchemical.tribe.net/thread/0fe19b49-4787-4c38-9898-a999409bd0e1#ffbff9d0-e56a-4342-b0a6-95e00a8af39e 2009-05-03T03:21:13Z 2009-05-03T03:21:13Z

my definiton of magick is excepting things as they are and stop trying to change it. its something I know first hand. spirit is reminding me its there throught he body rushes and shadows. respectfully

Ron 2009-05-03T03:21:13Z Richard http://Alchemical.tribe.net/thread/0fe19b49-4787-4c38-9898-a999409bd0e1#66e038fc-1d7c-4d62-b4cb-aea782159fe7 2009-05-03T02:54:33Z 2009-05-03T02:54:33Z

The spirit is more than just body rushes and it is higher than the self.Though it can open doors for us to experience it is always moving and bringing change.Its not by mans will through magick that it is accomplished it is by asking and brought about by what we call GOD.NO MAN nor any creature can do anything without the spirit.For without it we are useless vessels and able to bring nothing about magickly.

Richard 2009-05-03T02:54:33Z Ron http://Alchemical.tribe.net/thread/0fe19b49-4787-4c38-9898-a999409bd0e1#430e0332-2ca1-48c1-b6b6-b4ceaa3bfd53 2009-05-03T02:48:54Z 2009-05-03T02:48:54Z

Iona wrote: "As spiritual qualities, Mercury is spirit, Sulphur is soul and Salt, the body. " that aligns how I see soul as shadow, in Carl Jung terms, the SELF, as we work to develop our own persona and integrate our shadow world to some extent. I always see the Empress card in the Tarot being the body, the catalist, crystalizing. the spirit to me is also the inner self, which is expressed in speech, and body language, energy rushes.

Ron 2009-05-03T02:48:54Z Richard http://Alchemical.tribe.net/thread/0fe19b49-4787-4c38-9898-a999409bd0e1#25a5a68f-9706-4ece-a272-8d4888a35744 2009-05-03T02:47:23Z 2009-05-03T02:47:23Z

hey I see you are too LOL

Richard 2009-05-03T02:47:23Z Richard http://Alchemical.tribe.net/thread/0fe19b49-4787-4c38-9898-a999409bd0e1#20080999-0241-4ef5-8c49-23b46a894691 2009-05-03T02:46:36Z 2009-05-03T02:46:36Z

do you have any articles on it that gives a better explanation of it in use.And what would such a tool help with.I can see using copper wrist bands with magnets in the tips for attracting and pulling iron through your body but what would this orme be used for explain it.

Richard 2009-05-03T02:46:36Z Ron http://Alchemical.tribe.net/thread/0fe19b49-4787-4c38-9898-a999409bd0e1#ab36ff19-f60a-4a7e-b641-29412f0f6a54 2009-05-03T02:45:45Z 2009-05-03T02:45:45Z

Be Opened

Ron 2009-05-03T02:45:45Z Ron http://Alchemical.tribe.net/thread/0fe19b49-4787-4c38-9898-a999409bd0e1#11f597be-bacd-4254-a78e-8640997a7984 2009-05-03T02:44:47Z 2009-05-03T02:44:47Z

well we are sort of pArTcIpAtInG in this thread...

Ron 2009-05-03T02:44:47Z Solari http://Alchemical.tribe.net/thread/0fe19b49-4787-4c38-9898-a999409bd0e1#b8ae28c1-529c-4159-9fd1-b03081c27c7b 2009-05-02T21:26:15Z 2009-05-02T21:26:15Z

I am not in search of perfection. If you want to cling to the Bible and history there is ample evidence that ormes were made and used by the ancients to change consciousnes using ormes to alter the vibrational rate of the body. It was called the "highward fire stone." The Egyptians called it "mfkzt." The Hebrews called it "shewbread." I'm just giving you some options. You can do whatever you want. It's not really my business.

Solari 2009-05-02T21:26:15Z Richard http://Alchemical.tribe.net/thread/0fe19b49-4787-4c38-9898-a999409bd0e1#1227a4aa-3a58-44e2-bfe2-a50e58f6cc97 2009-05-02T21:10:18Z 2009-05-02T21:10:18Z

I meant to say "There are many ways" :)

Richard 2009-05-02T21:10:18Z Richard http://Alchemical.tribe.net/thread/0fe19b49-4787-4c38-9898-a999409bd0e1#034c3435-2102-4ba8-ac5e-52117eb6dfa3 2009-05-02T21:08:17Z 2009-05-02T21:08:17Z

>However, there is much more. I am currently making wearable ceramics that will alter your biofield.> And who would want to wear this junk and look like an idiot.To me you don't need to wear anything to help with no sort of super conductor energy manipulation trans conductor super outfit to Indus nothing of any biomelecular intensity super field aura I could go on.This stuff is a bunch of garbage and to others who see you wear it it makes us laugh. To me perfection takes learning of the mistakes we go through but perfection can be obtained.And I do mean walking with your instincts 100% and not giving in to the minds darkness that arise.Even christ was not perfect Hebrews 5:7-10 7During the days of Jesus' life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission. 8Although he was a son, he learned obedience from what he suffered 9and, once made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey him 10and was designated by God to be high priest in the order of Melchizedek. There are many was in saying someone is obtaining perfection but no ones perfect all the way.The perfection we seek is controlling our mind,heart, and direction in which we take.Someones perfection may be to quit smoking ,drinking,cheating you name it and just live without doing what we know is wrong and just live.Its mans hardest task and word which is knowing when to say NO and walk away.If you want to improve your so calld energy field then stop drinking and smoking and you will begin to see and feel a difference.So many alchemist desired perfection through their mixtures that would not only heal but manipulate matter to produce interesting results.Like hauck in his books his personal dissolution and chemical change to him signaled change throughout his life but his one wrong move and many magicians do this and get lost to it is mix any kind of hallucination drug with magick.Its better to go into the beeker desiring change and come out perfected through being sober than it is on drugs.At least you will know the experiences are real rather than drug induced.No crystal no ring no hat no seal no book no person no magickal outfit can bring you safety or perfection.Once understood these illusions can be taken off and you can wipe the dust from your cloths and the battle scares that you have obtained along the way and sit in a quiet room darkened by light and say to yourself " I am the only one who stops what I want in life".To me I luv alchemy my personal philosophers stone is not only interesting but once you mix the right chemicals ie components then you can begin to witness a transformation that has been sought after for hundreds of years and the observing of the creation of the stone is the most beautifulest and life altering event that changes you along with it.My goal in alchemy is I'm working on a cure for A.I.D.S. I seek to take alchemy to a different level.

Richard 2009-05-02T21:08:17Z Solari http://Alchemical.tribe.net/thread/0fe19b49-4787-4c38-9898-a999409bd0e1#706d885d-01cb-4668-8b0e-cd6e76ca2419 2009-05-02T15:36:17Z 2009-05-02T15:36:17Z

Go here first: http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/index.htm The join these Yahoo ormus forums: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/ORMUS/ http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/ORMUS_SWG/ Also, you will find within my own tribe profle links to a few of my own devices: http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/tw/magneticalteration.htm http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/tw/stratifying.htm However, there is much more. I am currently making wearable ceramics that will alter your biofield. Don't misunderstand me here - there is still "work" that is done, but it is not as onerous as the old tradition posits nor is any psychological self mortification necessary.

Solari 2009-05-02T15:36:17Z Flint http://Alchemical.tribe.net/thread/0fe19b49-4787-4c38-9898-a999409bd0e1#45484644-febb-43c2-b74a-0d4761a03685 2009-05-02T08:45:32Z 2009-05-02T08:45:32Z

nikola tesla is a very good example. he made the 'lamp that burns with no oil or wick', the lamp of a master of the temple. google intresting words: ions magnetism mycelial mat vapor-arc fission/fusion reactions plasma gas lasers TC current ultra high frequency oscillation wave/particle superconductors rarified atmosphere particle acceleration holographic theory enochian physics binary communication systems

Flint 2009-05-02T08:45:32Z Adastra http://Alchemical.tribe.net/thread/0fe19b49-4787-4c38-9898-a999409bd0e1#2046a51a-228d-4ef6-b776-14a0d377d5d5 2009-05-02T06:00:48Z 2009-05-02T06:00:48Z

>>>Self-flagellation is unnecessary. A long and arduous apprenticeship is not necessary. It's like someone has told you that unless you suffer you won't be a fulfilled human being.<<< Pardon me, but you seem to be displaying some kind of fixation with self-flagellation, a practice I do not use. Nor do I confuse work and study with suffering. To work at and to study something that I have an interest in is one of life's greatest pleasures. I'm sorry if I seem impertinent in trying to explain my experience with study and with work that is sometimes difficult, but is ultimately most satisfying. It is as though you have decided not to understand what I am saying before I post it. You speak of more modern alchemists who have dispensed with intensive study. Where did they find this incredible skill to produce results with no preparation? Even more to the point, where might I find their writings so that I can study their accomplishments and learn to duplicate them? If you are going to tell me that I am approaching the art from a mistaken perspective, at least give me a clue to help me correct my error. You seem to mock without any interest in helping. If you will kindly provide me with a few authors and titles to illustrate what you mean, I will gladly look them up and learn as much as I possibly can from them. But if all you want to do is to tell me that I'm wrong without the courtesy to enlighten my ignorance, then you are merely offering a pretense to a wisdom that you fear to have challenged. Or so it seems to me. If I am wrong in this, let me see something useful from you instead of blanket accusations that do nothing to help. I don't think that's such an arduous task if you really do know more than me. if you don't or won't offer real assistance, then your implied claim to expertise is as much a fraud as you attribution of dishonesty to Gurdjieff. With love under will, Bob, Adastra, The Wizzard of Jacksonville

Adastra 2009-05-02T06:00:48Z Solari http://Alchemical.tribe.net/thread/0fe19b49-4787-4c38-9898-a999409bd0e1#df8603ab-ad0f-4a6d-b887-e81e79a759ec 2009-05-01T20:58:23Z 2009-05-01T20:58:23Z

The piano playing metaphor is impertinent. Self-flagellation is unnecessary. A long and arduous apprenticeship is not necessary. It's like someone has told you that unless you suffer you won't be a fulfilled human being. This is the same con that Gurdjieff used to take peoples' money. Get over this.

Solari 2009-05-01T20:58:23Z Adastra http://Alchemical.tribe.net/thread/0fe19b49-4787-4c38-9898-a999409bd0e1#da4546a9-5288-4fa7-9ea8-d7bc46faacf7 2009-05-01T16:41:09Z 2009-05-01T16:41:09Z

>>>The onerous tradition to which you are paying obeisance has been superseded by the work of latter day alchemists who have cut through the cobwebs.<<< Perhaps I am misunderstanding something here. You seem to be saying that the latterday alchemists' method is to take children about ten who have never seen a piano, sit them at the keyboard and signal the orchestra to begin, while the child through his own inner alchemy will begin playing Rachmaninoff's Second Piano Concerto from pure inspiration, never having heard the piece before. This is nonsense. It's like trying to build a penthouse without bothering to put a tall building under it. Even if we could miraculously manifest such a penthouse, 800 feet above the ground, we would also have to cancel gravitational attraction beneath it or it will surely come crashing to the earth, destroyed and uninhabitable. Or perhaps you are thinking that a child banging away on the keyboard making a senseless clatter is really creating a masterpiece so long as the child is happy with it. That is a reasonable view from the child's perspective, but an adult nearby is going to hear only random jangling and not a brilliant piece of music. Even Mozart had to learn the keyboard and where the notes were. The fact that he seemed to learn this so easily and effortlessly is due to his genius. But not every child is a Mozart and even he had to learn the basics before he could compose. This begins to sound like typical New Agery. "Simply hold a positive thought and you will instantly succeed at anything you attempt, on the first try." Try that in archery and you will spend a lot of time missing the entire target, to say nothing of the bullseye. Try that in fencing and you will be getting skewered routinely. Stake your life on learning to fly as soon as you leap off a cliff and you are liable to have a rude awakening. This is not an arbitrary rule I made up on my own, you know. In order to succeed at anything, you must care enough to work at it. And it is often work. The formulas of alchemy are not invented to torture us, but to give us a means of approaching the study that will lead us to the goal. It's true that once we get there, the formulas will seem unnecessary, but that's only after we arrive at success. A master in any field may well say that the training is unimportant, merely baby steps, but have you ever seen a baby suddenly become a champion sprinter? It takes years of growth, of training and of experience to discover what works and what doesn't. If you are indeed a great master of alchemy, that's great, but have some pity on us who are just starting out and please let us develop our skills until we can succeed on our own. Telling a baby that he has to get up from lying on his back and start winning the hundred yard dash will do nothing to help him do that, only time, good nutrition and the development of a strong body will get him running. All else is fantasy, wish-fulfillment and fraud. With love under will, Bob, Adastra, The Wizzard of Jacksonville

Adastra 2009-05-01T16:41:09Z Solari http://Alchemical.tribe.net/thread/0fe19b49-4787-4c38-9898-a999409bd0e1#5cc661b3-203b-4e8a-9221-d634556ea6b5 2009-05-01T13:44:56Z 2009-05-01T13:44:56Z

Material alchemy is much easier than you think. The onerous tradition to which you are paying obeisance has been superseded by the work of latter day alchemists who have cut through the cobwebs. The paradigm of self torture and endless repetition and division is archaic and sadomasochistic. "History is a nightmare from which I am trying to awake."

Solari 2009-05-01T13:44:56Z Adastra http://Alchemical.tribe.net/thread/0fe19b49-4787-4c38-9898-a999409bd0e1#62576d31-5482-473b-855b-aa3425ae1a27 2009-05-01T06:05:33Z 2009-05-01T06:05:33Z

It seems to me, in looking at my last post, that I still have not been clear enough on what I meant. Let me try an analogy: Suppose it is my wish to become a great piano virtuoso. Suppose too that I am still a child and have not begun piano lessons. I want to sit down at the piano and roll off brilliant improvisations with the ease and grace of a master musician, a Mozart for example. But I am not a Mozart. I will find that I must begin by learning scales and practicing them over and over. Every day, I must spend hours running scales in every possible key on the keyboard. It's repetitive, it's boring and it's a dreary chore. And yet it is precisely that dull, boring drudgery of learning the scales, learning them until I can literally do them in my sleep, that will someday make it possible to sit down at the piano and create those brilliant arpeggios and startlingly original improvisations. Anyone who aspires to be an alchemist wants, naturally to jump straight to the brilliant insights and final summations that come with the last step into enlightenment. The codes, the dry formulas, are not where our interest lies. Yet, like the repetitive practice with piano scales or organ or harpsichord exercises, we have to learn the codes, the formulas, and work with them to prepare ourselves for the great revelations that will equip us to leave the formulae behind and improvise the growth of our body, soul and spirit with artistry, grace and genius. When we are beginners, we must be content with baby steps and must work at those until they become unconscious enough to make possible the artistry of a great dancer. The dancing grows from the discipline of the feet and legs. The keyboard improvisations grow from the discipline of practicing scales until we know the keyboard as we know our own breathing. To raise a great edifice, we must have a firm foundation. This discipline is not the goal of our efforts; it is to be surpassed eventually. Yet if we try to skip over the boring routine of practice, we will never reach the heights of inspiration. We seek the freedom of expression found in every great artist, whatever the art may be that he practices. But we do not start out composing symphonies worthy of a Beethoven or a Mahler. We do not begin writing novels with the brilliance of a Thomas Pynchon or a Kurt Vonnegut, not even with the talent of a Mickey Spillane. There's a lot of groundwork that must be laid first if we are to scale the heights in any field. We must practice our scales or the necessary skill will never be acquired. The freedom of a great artist is a direct result of the initial drudgery involved in learning and practicing with the tools and the techniques. Only thus can greatness come at last. And when I say we must learn these things until we know them in our sleep, I am not speaking metaphorically. I used to think that the expression "know it in my sleep" was figurative until I had an experience one day that proved me wrong. I dreamed I was in some sort of temple somewhere in Asia. I thought in my dream that it must be somewhere in Tibet, though I couldn't say why it seemed that way. I was seated in lotus and facing a rather large, imposing Asian gentleman also sitting in lotus, wearing flowing robes and with his head shaved. While there was no resemblance, it seemed to me that this man was Aleister Crowley disguised somehow in "Asian drag". As I watched he began to light up his chakras in no particular order; it seemed this was a test of some sort. A vivid green light glowed from the center of his chest. "Anahata", I answered. Then an orange light below his navel. "Svaddhisthana", I said. After this, it seemed that a violet light sprung out of the top of his head. "Sahasrara," was the response. A blue light from the throat, "Visuddha." This went on for some time until I woke up. "Wow," I thought, "I really do know this stuff in my sleep. I thought that was just an exaggeration." Now I know better. Someday, if we study, we will all be able to move from one given state of awareness to another at will. Until then, we must practice until we know the techniques in our sleep. Then we will be able to produce symphonies of spirit, portraits of the soul, novels of the body and epic poems of the union of all these. Then we will be masters. Until then, let's be sure to practice our scales, no matter how weary we grow in the exercise. With love under will, Bob, Adastra, The Wizzard of Jacksonville

Adastra 2009-05-01T06:05:33Z Solari http://Alchemical.tribe.net/thread/0fe19b49-4787-4c38-9898-a999409bd0e1#12ad432c-f712-4540-a58b-79fb4f7b016d 2009-04-30T21:41:10Z 2009-04-30T21:41:10Z

Would you like to try one of my elixirs or perhaps one of my alchemical pendants, gratis? If so, send me your address. I suppose we would have to formally "befriend" each other tribally for the info exchange to take place.

Solari 2009-04-30T21:41:10Z Adastra http://Alchemical.tribe.net/thread/0fe19b49-4787-4c38-9898-a999409bd0e1#7fe2ce63-2296-482c-bc69-20ee1b3039ea 2009-04-30T15:18:59Z 2009-04-30T15:18:59Z

>>>The real experience and the real fun experience is a total surprise, but you you have to let it come to you. Forget God. Forget perfection. Forget everything you have learned so far.<<< I am confused. This sounds like exactly what I was saying in the first place. Either I'm not being clear or you are stereotyping to some degree. >>>So we are lost without Biblical references and models. This is not much different from what the fundies allege<<< Perhaps this is the source of the misunderstanding. I don't quote the Bible as an authority, but simply as a handy source that most people will recognize and can verify if they wish. And I fail the fundamentalist test as I don't believe that the book must be understood in the literal sense, an opinion that the book itself warns against. My greatest problem with fundamentalists (Christianoids, as I call them) is simply that they are fixated on a literal interpretation of a book they have not troubled to understand or even read with any discernment. If you base your understanding of Christianity on the dogmas of the Christianoids, then, forgive me, but you have no understanding of what the faith is about. Like all great spiritual traditions, the original teachings of Christ are on alchemy and self development, not on Bronze Age superstition. Religion is bondage. The Holy Spirit is freedom, the Great Work, the Summum Bonum, True Wisdom and Perfect Happiness. I hope this helps to clear up any misunderstanding. With love under will. Bob, Adastra, The Wizzard of Jacksonville

Adastra 2009-04-30T15:18:59Z Solari http://Alchemical.tribe.net/thread/0fe19b49-4787-4c38-9898-a999409bd0e1#928ee66d-419a-4fa0-9020-50bb686a1731 2009-04-30T13:13:05Z 2009-04-30T13:13:05Z

So we are lost without Biblical references and models. This is not much different from what the fundies allege - very primitive thinking IMHO. Rut thinking. If you are expecting something to happen to you according to these formulas - biblical, alchemical, etc. the real experience will elude you. The real experience and the real fun experience is a total surprise, but you you have to let it come to you. Forget God. Forget perfection. Forget everything you have learned so far.

Solari 2009-04-30T13:13:05Z Ron http://Alchemical.tribe.net/thread/0fe19b49-4787-4c38-9898-a999409bd0e1#f4d09531-2099-4cf5-8785-55a568c67996 2009-04-30T06:07:34Z 2009-04-30T06:07:34Z

well although I don't totally grok all that you write about Adastra I do appreciate you posting it. I always end up going back and reading it when I have more time. I don't like rushing through anyone's posts. I don't assume to understand everything, but I do feel we are each a fractal of all creation, and therefore perfect for where each of us are now. I think the whole concept of God is really too infinite to ever understand, let alone experience in its totatility. Loving peace, Ron Adams Sunwolf Fr Sabaechit

Ron 2009-04-30T06:07:34Z Adastra http://Alchemical.tribe.net/thread/0fe19b49-4787-4c38-9898-a999409bd0e1#5655198f-cdd3-4459-9c1a-8f38f4f1c28d 2009-04-30T04:13:53Z 2009-04-30T04:13:53Z

>>>What is it you expect "perfection" to be?<<< I expect "perfection" to be what I stated earlier as the literal meaning of the words from 400 years ago when the King James Version was published. Back then it meant either "complete," referring to the addition to or the manifestation of a spiritual element in the human personality or the arrival at maturity, becoming an adult. Jung called it "individuation" in his discussion of the inner alchemy. Once again, it has nothing to do with the embodiment of some Platonic ideal, but more to do with becoming a real, grown-up human being. As for becoming God, we all are that already, none of us the full range and substance of God, but each participating in the Body of God to the best of our ability and understanding. Too often people develop truly bizarre ideas on theological doctrine because they interpret in terms of what words mean now, instead of what they meant when they were first written down in the text under discussion. We know what distillation means now, but what did it mean to the alchemists who used it several hundred years ago to describe a process that had a lot more to do with the spiritual and psychological realms than it did with the physical laboratorium. In any case, I doubt we arrive at any absolute maturity or understanding, these words make sense only in terms of an advance from what was available before to that which is attained by fresh insight, understanding and experience. There is no final goal except to keep evolving into something better than our old selves. Nature didn't produce the amoeba and say, "Good. I got life. Now I can stop." With love under will, Bob, Adastra. The Wizzard of Jacksonville

Adastra 2009-04-30T04:13:53Z Solari http://Alchemical.tribe.net/thread/0fe19b49-4787-4c38-9898-a999409bd0e1#24b9ab91-8f07-4b99-8e4f-e065de7e3a7b 2009-04-29T19:28:48Z 2009-04-29T19:28:48Z

Do you see where I am headed here? In fact, you do presume to speak for God. How could you not? You expect one day to be "perfect." You expect to be God.

Solari 2009-04-29T19:28:48Z Solari http://Alchemical.tribe.net/thread/0fe19b49-4787-4c38-9898-a999409bd0e1#39224033-8060-440f-a979-39f9906f5ae7 2009-04-29T19:19:57Z 2009-04-29T19:19:57Z

What is it you expect "perfection" to be?

Solari 2009-04-29T19:19:57Z Adastra http://Alchemical.tribe.net/thread/0fe19b49-4787-4c38-9898-a999409bd0e1#efa83cc6-57c9-46d3-96e1-564e346619c1 2009-04-29T15:27:09Z 2009-04-29T15:27:09Z

>>>If you arrived at any such stasis you would within time grow bored just as God does.<<< I can't speak for God regarding any goals He might have, but for myself, why would I choose stasis as a goal in the first place? It seems that would be unrewarding to say the least. Bo-o-o-oring. With love under will, Bob, Adastra. The Wizzard of Jacksonville

Adastra 2009-04-29T15:27:09Z Adastra http://Alchemical.tribe.net/thread/0fe19b49-4787-4c38-9898-a999409bd0e1#0dd3c93a-bcb5-40b9-8ddc-818622cb23a0 2009-04-29T15:23:29Z 2009-04-29T15:23:29Z

>>>i am beginning to think being a part of any thread you are in, is an ill advised venture.<<< I apologize if I have given offense. I try not to, but sometimes I get a bit careless or sloppy and say things that may be seen as offensive. I'll try to do better. With love under will, Bob, Adastra, The Wizzard of Jacksonville

Adastra 2009-04-29T15:23:29Z Solari http://Alchemical.tribe.net/thread/0fe19b49-4787-4c38-9898-a999409bd0e1#e72b0947-d75c-45f7-8f63-d086ba50ec1a 2009-04-29T14:05:28Z 2009-04-29T14:05:28Z

If you arrived at any such stasis you would within time grow bored just as God does.

Solari 2009-04-29T14:05:28Z Flint http://Alchemical.tribe.net/thread/0fe19b49-4787-4c38-9898-a999409bd0e1#c70d0096-82c8-403a-970c-3461c8b79702 2009-04-29T05:52:53Z 2009-04-29T05:52:53Z

i am beginning to think being a part of any thread you are in, is an ill advised venture. I don't actually appreciate the input that much, by the end of the thread. Thank you, carry on, i will check back in a month.

Flint 2009-04-29T05:52:53Z Adastra http://Alchemical.tribe.net/thread/0fe19b49-4787-4c38-9898-a999409bd0e1#90246af6-1dfb-42c0-99b0-e9e3fa8c1c30 2009-04-29T03:58:17Z 2009-04-29T03:58:17Z

>>>Too much codification<<< I must demur. Codification can be of assistance in bringing the seeker to the next step in the process. The trick is to advance beyond the codes in time, but this usually is brought about by immersing oneself in the codes until they become restrictions; we turn the trick when we realize it's the codes that hold us back, but we prove that to ourselves by experience. >>>If you chase perfection you are wooing a semantic chimera.<<< And chasing the chimera, or hunting the unicorn may well be the next step on the path to perfection. The important thing here is to pursue the impossible without expecting to attain it. The game helps us to improve in those areas where we feel the need of progress. Beside which, perfection as currently defined is indeed a chimera. But as the word was defined several hundred years ago, it was not an unattainable Platonic ideal, but meant merely "complete" or "mature". We would do well not to take any of these ideas too literally, nor too seriously, nor ourselves as too important. Then the eventual result may well be that the universe (or our own souls) will bring us to a success we could never have imagined before we began the quest. We should not mistake the path for the goal; still less should we assume that the goal will turn out to be as we have imagined it. Your complaints, Solari, are well-taken, but ultimately beside the point. We should work as best we can to move toward whatever goal we find desirable and accept the one at which we arrive. It will likely be more than we had hoped for in the final balance. With love under will, Bob, Adastra, The Wizzard of Jacksonville

Adastra 2009-04-29T03:58:17Z Solari http://Alchemical.tribe.net/thread/0fe19b49-4787-4c38-9898-a999409bd0e1#40e1d497-b4be-4561-8b65-67046c377e45 2009-04-28T14:09:01Z 2009-04-28T14:09:01Z

Too much codification. Alchemy disrupts reigning vibrational regimes in the being so that the being can break out of stagnation and obsessive compulsive loops. All this talk of "perfection" goes nowhere. If you chase perfection you are wooing a semantic chimera. There is no perfection. Gold is not perfection. Nor is platinum.

Solari 2009-04-28T14:09:01Z Adastra http://Alchemical.tribe.net/thread/0fe19b49-4787-4c38-9898-a999409bd0e1#09caf5bf-c596-4ab7-8c31-0ff0adec3a30 2009-04-28T04:32:50Z 2009-04-28T04:32:50Z

Oops, I just noticed that I omitted to present Hauck's 7-stage formula for the Stone. It follows the formula of V.I.T.R.I.O.L. 1. Visita: Calcination. 2. Interiora: Dissolution. 3. Terrae: Separation. 4. Rectificando: Conjunction. 5. Invenues: Fermentation. 6. Occultum: Distillation. 7. Lapidem: Coagulation. Hauck also tells us that traditional alchemists taught that this planetary formula of seven stages must be repeated three times, in an ascending spiral, each round yielding a different (and higher stone than the previous), The first cycle results in the Lunar Stone, perfecting the life force of the physical body and granting longevity to afford the adept the time needed to complete the Great Work in his lifetime. The second round formulates the Solar Stone, yielding a purified and concentrated mind, with all the powers of the mind manifested in perfection. And the Third Magisterium is to unite the Lunar and Solar Stones with the presence of the Universal Spirit to produce the Stellar Stone, the perfection of the physical body on the spiritual plane. The Stellar Stone reminds me strongly of The Book of the Law, 1:3: "Every man and every woman is a star." So mote it be. With love under will, Bob, Adastra, The Wizzard of Jacksonville

Adastra 2009-04-28T04:32:50Z Adastra http://Alchemical.tribe.net/thread/0fe19b49-4787-4c38-9898-a999409bd0e1#7bb7aba6-2f1d-4332-85d2-c0c197799a51 2009-04-26T14:48:05Z 2009-04-26T14:47:14Z

I am forced to demonstrate my lack of humility by presenting one of my own poems, written many years ago at a time when poetry was happening to me, willy-nilly. The piece is a bit of self-satire, titled "The Alchemist" and has proven to be a bit prophetic for my current life, though I still hope to arrive at a happier result than the alchemist of the title. Here it is, my self-written confession to all my sins and shortcomings. THE ALCHEMIST Within the crystalline perfection of the crystal womb, he studies the four elements, traces connections, combinations, correspondences of flower and star and tears and living breath. And if, at times, the wind chimes in his garden ring to the footfalls of a monstrous loneliness advancing, he is master of the ritual of banishment, though what he banishes he cannot name. Most carefully, he wards his alembic against external influence and strives to formulate the Universal Solvent whose action melts the hardest fact to fluid liberty. (Its name is Love, although he cannot speak it.) seeks to compound the transcendental Stone whose touch transmutes all forms to their redemption. (Its face is Love, although he cannot see it.) searches for the holiest of holy Names whose breathing power informs all acts of grace. (Its sound is Love, although he dare not hear it.) aspires to comprehend the Phoenix-myth, to die in purifying flame, to be reborn and from the ashes soar above the world, bearing the glory of the heavens home again. (Love is the fire although he cannot feel it; Love the glory, though he cannot know it.) And sometimes in the deeps of night, he wakes to distant ringing of a ghostly chime advancing, the portent of the rescuer he fears and hopes for. . . Solve et coagula. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ With love under will, Bob, Adastra, The Wizzard of Jacksonville

Adastra 2009-04-26T14:47:14Z Adastra http://Alchemical.tribe.net/thread/0fe19b49-4787-4c38-9898-a999409bd0e1#e4e242e4-9e71-4165-bc14-4b6a4e0482b5 2009-04-26T07:39:33Z 2009-04-26T07:39:33Z

Ms. Miller, Thank you for the information above. As I am just a beginner, it is quite a bit beyond my current understanding, though it gives a number of hints that resonate within my intuition, which should in time bear fruit. I was wondering if you have read, Dennis Hauck's "The Sorceror's Stone: a Beginner's Guide to Alchemy." I found it a very useful book in adding to my own meager store of information. I was a bit surprised by his statement that the work must proceed on the physical, mental and spiritual level simultaneously, though when he brought in Goedel's Incompleteness Theorem, he had me hooked. I can't help noticing, though, that he slightly misstates Goedel's conclusion. If my sources are to be trusted, Goedel showed not that all axiomatic systems were inconsistent, but rather that no formal (axiomatic) system could be both complete and consistent. Or, as far as a nonmathematician like me can grasp the Theorem, any formal system that is complete enough to be able to generate all true statements that can be found, will also be able to generate statements that are self-contradictory. As for example, "This statement is false," which denies itself by its own claim. But I find his anyalysis of the processes both sufficient and understandable for a beginner. I was particularly struck by his presentation of Valentine's "Azoth of the Philosophers" diagram, especially when I found myself looking at the inverted star of seven points that Crowley labeled "The Star of Babalon". And then the formula of VITRIOL within the star along with the seven stages of the alchemical process, which I see he says should be repeated three times, giving a total of 21 steps, which reminds me of the 21 paths on the Tree of Life, minus the unnumbered path of The Fool. Lots of fertile ideas planted here. I am interested in seeing where I might go with them. What do you think? With love under will, Bob, Adastra, The Wizzard of Jacksonville

Adastra 2009-04-26T07:39:33Z iona http://Alchemical.tribe.net/thread/0fe19b49-4787-4c38-9898-a999409bd0e1#05325777-144a-4b20-8806-1d1017f1aae9 2009-04-25T19:22:53Z 2009-04-25T19:22:53Z

http://spiritualalchemy.iwarp.com/whats_new_20.html "The Ain Soph at first was filling All and then made an absolute concentration into Itself which produced the Abyss, Deep, or Space, the Aveer Qadmon or Primitive Air, the Azoth; but this is not considered in the Qabbalah as a perfect void or vacuum, a perfectly empty Space, but is thought as the Waters or Crystalline Chaotic Sea, in which was a certain degree of Light inferior to that by which all the created (worlds and hierarchies) were made." (Isaac Myer) -- Manly Palmer Hall, Secret Teachings of the Ages, Page Number: CXVII Natural Philosophy Both spiritual and experimental alchemy are participatory arts. The alchemist leads him/her self by following nature with the Hermetic spirit. The alchemical world is composed of the three primal components of the chaotic base matter or prima materia: Mercury, Sulphur and Salt. As spiritual qualities, Mercury is spirit, Sulphur is soul and Salt, the body. There is psyche in nature and nature in psyche. In alchemy we mine the soul for emergent phenomena and refine our experience. We re-forge our essential elements by recycling our consciousness in the ecology of the soul. We discover the universal solvent in resonant flow states. In each creative cycle alchemical gold is generated in the vessel. "Heating" is necessary to intensify consciousness and kindle the Light of intuitive illumination and divine inspiration -- the legendary Stone. Natural and human processes are the matrix of action. Recognizing action, bipolar opposition (polarity), and connection (bonds) as the three components of creation in natural processes provides tools for creation and the incentive to take the initiative. These abc's are the raw materials of Mercury, Sulphur and Salt in chaos theory. The unimaginably vast and the infinitesimal are simply connected. Nature is self-referential like fractals. Connection is as fundamental as structure. Alchemy is an accelerated path to enlightenment, a state or phase change to a higher order adaptation and function. Mortality (and suffering) is the overarching strange attractor, including a vision of life beyond death. This primordial awareness improves living in the here and now whether it is "true" or not, for death/rebirth is with us in each and every instant as our primal clarity. Each moment arises and passes, yet somehow we remain, breath after breath. Magic happens in the gaps between breaths. Realizing this moment neither begins nor ends, we realize deathlessness. That which is never born, never dies; deathless, timeless eternity. To embody the Philosopher's Stone, we reiterate the whole process of creation. Body of Light The alchemist learns to identify less and less with the ego and more strongly with absolute space as the vehicle of consciousness. The spiritual or Diamond Body is a vessel of immortality -- the Soma Athanaton. Thus, "attainment of immortality" takes place by transformation of the physical body and the energy body, or hyperdimensional field body. Identification is expanded into cosmic consciousness, the ground state of being. Like alchemy, meditation (meditatio) is a psychic transformation process. Psyche or soul is the vital life energy, the living essence of the body, expressed as images. The alchemist feeds the incorruptible field body on the dew of pure life force, pure limitless Light. The breath-body harmlessly consumes the surplus negentropic energy radiantly shed by all creative process in the Universe. Physically, the inhibitors that prevent full pineal function are deregulated, allowing the spirit molecule, DMT, to flow. An utterly new, naturally-psychedelic phase-state first glimmers in awareness then stabilizes with the union of the personal and the transpersonal. This deep consciousness is also known as the Golden Flower, vajra, awakened kundalini, resurrection body, rainbow body, supercelestial body, the Elixir and the Stone. The indestructible core, the sacred form of the truly spiritual body emerges. The Diamond Body is a Mystery, but one whose building we can conceptually unpack for greater understanding of the process/goal. This bioplasmic double, the etheric body is literally a Body of Light, rooted in the subquantal ether or scalar physics. We can decode the cryptograms of alchemy in contemporary scientific terms. Diamond Sea of Scintillae Jung sourced alchemical ideas to fund his psychological theory. The most prominent alchemical symbol is the scintillae, or germinal divine sparks of the spirit. He thought what the alchemists saw in matter was a projection, but it may be direct insight, perception of metaphysical reality. These seeds of light broadcast in the chaos are not illusory. Paracelsus, Khunrath and Dorn related them to the lumen naturae which illuminates consciousness like a diamond-strewn night sky. They are more than symbolic. Jung linked them to the Sun, luminosity and numinosity. We labor in the dark of the unconscious until we see these glittering "fishes eyes" that herald the solar light. These multiple eyes reflect our many facets back to ourselves. Comparable with archetypes, these multiple intensities herald psyche's reunification with the unconscious, sparkling in the margins of astral vision. The union of the scintillae form gold. Sparks shining in the dark solution are the first glimmers of immortality. In essence, consciousness is located everywhere in the universe at the center of origin of every radiant energy field and fundamental particle. The universe and every field and form in it originates from and rests on its infinite zero-points of timeless and dimensionless (thus "empty" and "eternal") absolute or "ground space." Each zero-point (acting contiguously with all other zero points, as one thing, like a BEC) contains the total potential mass energy of the entire cosmos. All the energy and structural information of the entire cosmos is contained in every zero point and every standing wave particle center field. The universe is a hologram. All its information accessible to consciousness is carried as wave interference patterns on radiant harmonic (fractal involved) energy fields, between near zero and near infinite frequency phase orders. It is transmitted from field to fields by some sort of phase conjugate adaptive resonance process, and detected by consciousness by reflection of a coherent energy willfully radiated. "Empty" absolute space (located at the zero-point origin of every particle and radiant field) -- must be as substantial and potentially mass-energetic as the entire metric spacetime universe that arises out of it. (Maurer) Vacuum Expectation Energy The singularity is not near; it's here, everywhereallthetimeforever, and we are not separate from that. This is the point. The deepest part of our essential nature abides as the groundstate of being, our cosmic zero point. Connection to this primordial nature is the essence of deathlessness, the elixir of immortality. The plenum is pregnant with possiblity and we are always expecting. Those who realize alchemical deathlessness in this life, transcend the concept of death. It is a realization of open awareness, of Life without deterioration or entropy. The essence of life is unobstructed radiance. Such purified life force, the radiance of all cosmic life, is nourishment for the energy body. Pre-existing absolute space, (a BEC) is more fundamental than visible space which is embedded within it. Energetically and informationally, the physical universe is contained in absolute space, as emergent phenomena in numinal and spatial fields. In visible space, points have the capacity to draw charge. Likewise, the one-pointed concentration of focus creates an influx. In the continuous creation, the center of the universe is everywhere, a seething cauldron of potential. Everything manifests from temporal interaction with the local nonlinear vacuum of spacetime. The interaction of time and negative time extracts massergy from the limitless ocean of roiling subspace. The temporal potential of force and form manifests in each and every instant at each and every point of being. Naughtiness Scalar waves are real even if unobservable. These oscillations of the stress energy tensor of the vacuum, the dense energy potential of the vacuum plays a key role in structuring the Universe. Energy moves from a free to a bound state via the dynamic structure of the vacuum. The vacuum contains randomly fluctuating electromagnetic fields with infinite zero-point energy. A quantum fluctuation is the appearance of equal but opposite particles out of vacuum. The engine of the universe runs by consuming the negentropy of highly compressed spacetime. So do we. We don’t feed on energy, but on negentropy. Both mysticism and science describe it in their different vocabularies for the deep nature of Reality. The Great Work is personal and cultural. It happens in the world at large, hiding in plain sight. Nature oscillates incessantly, in a dance of electromagnetic dipole dynamics. More than abstractions, self-organizing processes and fractal organization are results of dynamic interactions. Alchemy is a self-organizing activity and artform that epitomizes open-ended process, intentionally engaging the natural tendency toward self-organizing process. We don't really know when we're going to cross thresholds. There are conventional truths and there are ultimate truths. We practice to experience ultimate truth. This poetry-science recognizes the universe in man and man in the universe. We learn to know our own nature. The universe is reborn within us in various forms, including our image being, pre- and post-existence, and the secret medicine Azoth, the elixir of energetic healing. We make the Universal Medicine from nothing but morning dew. Morning dew is life force. Our Crystalline Chaotic Sea The 'Crystalline Chaotic Sea' of alchemy is synonymous with the zero point energy Dirac Sea of virtual vacuum fluctuation. A dissorderly structure is a chaotic sea, a jumble of superimposed waveforms. Mixing is enhanced in the chaotic sea giving rise to self-similar emergent properties as information becomes more complex. Chaotic mixing states have a fractal structure. The chaotic sea applies equally to psyche and substance. It is the root of our being, including the gaps or void between our particles [sic]. A mighty fractal Dragon consuming its tail lives in this turbulent sea. A dragon curve is the generic name for any member of a family of self similar fractal curves, which can be approximated by recursive methods. Like the dragon, we are part of Eternity and it is part of us. Nature is continuous with what is revealed to us. Nature penetrates us even as we penetrate nature through our own nature. Currents can be generated in dissipative systems. Transportable islands of stability exist in the chaotic sea. These islands come and go. Such islands can be flooded by chaotic states. Main resonance islands of stability persist. Regular-chaotic motions abound in transition states. An initial point in the chaotic sea will explore the whole sea. Its motion is characterized by periods of frequent extraction and reinjection interspersed with long arcing forays away from the singularities. Our chaotic orbit is determined by the strength of surrounding attractors. Crystalline Grid The chaotic prima materia and the Stone also have a crystalline nature. Buckminster Fuller described an omnitriangulated grid as the Isotropic Vector Matrix and vector equilibrium matrix -- essentially a Diamond Body. (Miller, 1992) Energy "crystallizes" into matter in the womb of empty space, a dynamic Void. Mass is simply a form of energy. This process is structured by an underlying, invisible, geometrical lattice. Actually, it is pre-geometric. Because it has no true physical existence, it is metaphysical (beyond physics). This threshold of matter, where nothing becomes something, is of great philosophical and existential interest. In the Lightness of Being, Nobel Prize–winning physicist Frank Wilczek describes new theories on how matter and energy interact, the Grid and the Core. Core theory, the Standard Model of quantum mechanics, reconciles gravity with electromagnetism and the strong and weak nuclear forces. The grid is the ground of being, the dynamics of space itself. Particles are disturbances in the grid. The grid shapes mass geometrically as it interacts with it. Mass is a property of the grid. Fields are self-renewing patterns that fill all of space and, when disturbed, throw off particles. The fields that fill space turn out to be quantum fields, which spontaneously, unpredictably fluctuate. These quantum fluctuations are known as virtual particles. Along with virtual particles, space is filled with the residues of invisible interactions among elementary particles such as quarks, bosons, and leptons. The residues, called condensates, are "ethers {that} "condense spontaneously out of empty space as the morning dew or an all-enveloping mist might condense out of moist, invisible air." Space is not empty after all; "the cosmos is a multilayered, multicolored superconductor," with weight and density. Its name is "Grid." www.boston.com/ae/books/a...al_physics/ Over the past few decades, physicists’ ideas of reality have changed dramatically. Matter is like light, and mass comes from energy. The dynamic “Grid” hums as it creates and destroys particles. Perhaps QCD is the contemporary version of the alchemical peacock's tail. Quantum chromodynamics is a gauge theory describing strong interaction of color forces. Quantum vacuum charge. The grid is the vacuum that theoretically seethes with quantum activity, a conceptual descendant of ether, that mysterious substance scientists once believed filled empty space. In this theory space is highly structured by the grid, which is the primary ingredient of physical reality and the substance from which all physical matter is formed. (Wilczek) The phion field (Bose-Einstein condensate) has been proposed as the quintessential force. Squeezing and entanglement are properties of phion condensate. A "fifth force," a phion is a neutral vector particle in a vector field. This vector field, phion condensate fluid, curls into a skewed symmetric field that couples to matter. (Moffet) The deepest nature of Reality is nonlinear and nonlocal. These aspects of contemporary chaos theory and subquantal physics are metaphorically relevant to our Opus. We have to think like chaos, beyond the sealed retort in 'open-systems.' It doesn't just take place 'in here," because we are the same as "out there," despite any persistent cultural delusions. We have to open ourselves to the Universe and the depth of our interconnections. Alchemy suggests we can find our virtual oasis, our resonant islands in the chaotic sea of reflection points, in the serenity of the One World. Nothing is Impossible Alchemy allows us to 'kick' the system. Kicked systems can implement changes in quantum dynamics. There is a coupling matrix between regular and chaotic states. Things propagate in this matrix. We learn to dynamically tunnel with resonance-assisted thought experiments from ordinary states to the chaotic sea of infinite potential. In the language of chaos theory, as the strength of the perturbation is increased, the resonance zones grow, and can overlap and form a chaotic sea. Elements mix chaotically into flow. The Book of Lambspring says, "Two fish swim in our Sea," - the opposites of spirit and soul, the conscious and unconscious, positive and negative. We live in a cosmic psychic sea. We are in psyche, not psyche in us. Individual psyches are ultimately illusory. In the process of reexamining for what we know about ourselves, we realize most of our imagery is pre-conscious or never conscious. Solid objects are composed of atoms but the subatomic and pre-geometric subquantal nature is metaphysical, etheric, vaporous, and above all chaotic. The phase space of mixed systems consist of resonant islands in a chaotic sea connected dynamically by quantum tunneling. Dynamic entanglement is a signature of chaos. Random states are highly, even maximally entangled. The typical entanglement, agrees with the long-time-averaged entanglement for initial states in the chaotic sea. In all cases the dynamically generated entanglement is that of a random complex vector. The micro-ether is a universal fluid whose constant turbulence perturbs the quantum domain. This is more than poetic license or metaphor. We see through the transparent phenomenal experience of the world. It is how we know what we know. But that can only ever be a belief, a model, a construction, ultimately an illusion much like a dynamic n-dimensional hologram. There are vortexes of activity in this endless chaotic sea -- virtual wave upon interpenetrating wave of the patterns of pattern and form. A similar process happens in the chaotic processing of the holographic brain. Our commonsense distinction between "subjective" and "objective" experience is an obsessive delusion created by the brain. Neurology research shows all the contents of consciousness are social constructs. We don't originate our own thoughts, much less feelings and proprioception. Most of our action potentials are decided without conscious intervention. Our decisions are made before questions are formulated. Nothing matters; psyche matters. Paradoxically, "Nothing is impossible." Chaotic Attractors An archetype is a "dynamic action plan" shaping consciousness, emotions, behaviour and relationships as well as the realm of matter. Creation myths describe the evolution of an archetypal system from the undifferentiated homeostasis of equilibrium to the symmetry-breaking perturbation of the primordial matrix and on through the increasing differentiation, coupling and complexity of the unfolding system. Psychologically, creation myths symbolize the origin of consciousness, the process of individuation, and the dynamics of creativity, each closely associated with the archetype of the self, regulator of the human psyche (von Franz, 1972). Creativity is characterized by psychological openness to inner and outer experiences. We engage this tendency in a purposeful way and learn to flow with the energy and creativity within the system leading to insights and applications by breakthroughs in information barriers. Reducing the dataglut of massa confusa to alchemical channels of information flow expedites the process. Tiny inputs can lead to cascades of events -- embodying logically necessary relations. Alchemical operations delineate discontinuous levels of consciousness as robust methods for seeking novel solutions with non-consensus coherence via synchronized chaos. Finding such adaptive solutions demonstrates survival and system resilience by maintaining tension of opposites, rather than resolution. In the coherence model learning is a process of transformation, or self-organization. Complexity and freedom are actually coextensive with one another.

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