Alchemy meets Sacred Geometry...
wow, these are all things i already knew and have come to know by going deeper down this eternal abyss. i know the concepts, i just didnt put it into geometrical terms, lol.
Yes, Mithraists put a 'special name' on a small stone.
The Philosopher's Stone must be comprised of all those various dualities
and elemental quaternary.
see/ be perceived
I've though of more, but brain is a bit fuzzy right now.
“The word 'stone' in the name 'The Philosophers' Stone' reinforces the fixed, universal, unmovable nature of the four Concepts.
In this sense the word 'stone' has the same connotation as the stone tables of the Ten Commandments which Abraham brought down from Mount Sinai.”
Moses brought those stone tablets down from Sinai, but his piece in thisi is quite interesting, alluding to these commandments as “the Philosopher’s Stone.” What would that mean? That the commandments are the “stone” by which an internal life is led? Perhaps. I wonder if others could expand upon this.
I think the Abraham statement may be a esoteric slip here, conscious nor not, for Abraham met with Yeshua and received the blessing of bread and wine, the most profound and central blessing in both the Jewish and the Christian streams of light transmission. In the Jewish tradition, it is the core opening and closing to Shabbat, where special wine and bread is blessed and eaten.
The Eucharist is the central rite in which the Blood of Christ and Body are given as the central blessing. This is what Abraham brings to Western Mysteries, the mystery of the bread and wine as mystical symbols of God’s Grace and Glroy, a cornerstone, a philosophers’ stone? Interesting.
Another stated that these ideas were both true? How can this be? How can it be the stone of the tables Moses carries, or a set ceremony, or an abstraction, or a vision, or a grail, or any of these symbols that carry this idea of eternal life and/or a limitless manifesting power and act as an access to these powers.
Something mysterious speaks in this, that what we do can “tap in” to a power that exists in the primordial, and that that “something” can be draw into this temporal and seemingly separate existence from the Primordial.
Have any here ever read "The Emerald Tablet"? Not the book by Dennis Hauck which is about the Emerald Tablet, but the original Emerald Tablet, said to have been written by Hermes or Toth in ancient Egypt. This is the essence and beginning of alchemy.
The emerald tablet is a waist of time and research.The quotes go far back but the emerald tablet myth is just that a myth but there are certain things that go beyond myth and fiction.I luv discussions on the philosophers stone to me its quit interesting.The myth of the stone goes far back way beyond egypt.The true stone was a spiritual foundation of hidden knowledge built by the philosophers upon the grounds of religion.It was said the stone was the foundation of something real something that if sought after would be hard to understand because what you can achieve.Like the old bible quote" building a church on this rock" its a foundation that never breaks and lifts the human soul to the divine state of being this is also water'd down by many other groups that lead people astray with promising things but in reality it is nothing but lies to get people to spend their money and blind people in the process.Religion in general is very misleading because man is trying to teach man about how the bible is supposed to be tought and in the process man changes the bible to fit his way of teaching it when all they are doing is twisting the story on how it should be tought.I can tell you once I found the both stones yes the metallurgic concept of changing the molecules of certain metals to form gold and YES it does work and is an awesome effect to transpire and to watch.The concept was that if the soul could undergo a transformation such as this than you should be able to transform the impure to pure and so alchemists began the experiments as well as the secret stone which hardly no one knows about the myth behind
an alchemists potion that if made correctly would make the drinker live longer basically the fountain of youth myth but its real thats why the myth got started.The potion is suppose to attack the aging process and stop it in its tracks they made movies on it one such movie with this kinda potion is "Death becomes her" but this was a real thing and if you study right you can find the alchemists who experimented with it because they move around alot in history and change their names because as their friends die off they did not want to be seen because people would start to ask questions on to how and why are they outliving me?I'm getting off subject sorry.But the philosophers stone is very intriguing the secret on the human soul and its evolution to a GOD and yes you heard me right a GOD not THE GOD but a GOD a title that lucifer,satan whatever you wish to call him throughout history that is the position he held until he fell from grace and when he did it opened this position and this is the real philosophers stone the understanding of this will open a door your mind will never perceive because it is the reason why we feel within ourselves there is something great to life I will leave you with this to ponder about and if your interested on knowing more then write me this is coming strait from the bible which people tend to push aside but its not well understood.
4But when the time had fully come, God sent his Son, born of a woman, born under law, 5to redeem those under law, that we might receive the full rights of sons. 6Because you are sons, God sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, the Spirit who calls out, "Abba,[a] Father." 7So you are no longer a slave, but a son; and since you are a son, God has made you also an heir.
hmm an heir to what you might ask make you wonder yet :) look up the definition of heir it says:
1 : one who inherits or is entitled to inherit property
2 : one who inherits or is entitled to succeed to a hereditary rank, title, or office <heir to the throne>
3 : one who receives or is entitled to receive some endowment or quality from a parent or predecessor
now read this and for those initiated into such secrets you will understand me on what I say on others this will only make you look deeper into the stone
THE PHILOSOPHERS STONE
7He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes, I will give the right to eat from the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God.
11He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. He who overcomes will not be hurt at all by the second death.
17He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes, I will give some of the hidden manna. I will also give him a white stone with a new name written on it, known only to him who receives it.
26To him who overcomes and does my will to the end, I will give authority over the nations—
27'He will rule them with an iron scepter;
he will dash them to pieces like pottery'[a]— just as I have received authority from my Father. 28I will also give him the morning star. 29He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.
5He who overcomes will, like them, be dressed in white. I will never blot out his name from the book of life, but will acknowledge his name before my Father and his angels. 6He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.
21To him who overcomes, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I overcame and sat down with my Father on his throne. 22He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches."
7He who overcomes will inherit all this, and I will be his God and he will be my son.
the understanding of this will open another door yet to be sought after but if you do you will see wonders that you only dream about what I give here is real whether you believe me is up to you but won't you be ashamed if you get over on the other side of reality and find out it would be real this is something else to ponder on for a while.
it is Galatians 4:4-7 the G in the word got cut off then I was pasting it lol
i would like it a whole lot better if this did not become a christian theological debate.
its not......Just stating that the philosophers stone is rooted in other places too.I don't do christian debates lol only stating my opinion your entitled to your own.This is mine if you don't like it tough no one says you have to agree.
forgive me, i misunderstood. not christian dialog, a christian monolog. got it.
proceed! im a heathen so i will vacate this conversation.
Happy thots and have a great day!
no your not a heathen.So many people pop fun and laugh at the bible because they follow their own hate towards something they don't understand its only human to question and reject such is life but no matter what everyone believes we all have the same spirit within us that unites us all its called free will you live how you choose and what you do in life is your own.No person can judge the way you think and no person can condemn you for your beliefs.No one can say hey your going to hell because its not in anyone's authority and I don't believe in christian philosophy because they like to condemn you for everything you do and that is not right.I put this out there because it will touch a certain few that are members of the elect and they know who they are.These kinda paths are initiated for people who already have touched the experience and has broken free of the web of the soul.This web is were everyone gets caught up in.If you can break the web you free the soul and once this is done then stand back and admire the show because then the fun begins.No matter what path you choose it all leads to one outcome which is the spiritual evolution of the soul this evolution is an instinct within us that tells us we have higher purposes and we do if we so choose to accept it.But this path is not for everyone because this will only call out to those that know what I'm saying.The purpose of the spiritual path is to awaken the soul in knowing we are not alone and the knowledge of divinity that opens a higher field of understanding to what exists and what is possible to achieve.Look throughout history some of the best people were also laughed at until the time came to prove them wrong and they did.I would not stand up so strong if I did not have the personal experience that told me what I put down.I am only putting it out here because so many people search and are misguided by so many promises by groups that I would atleast give something worth the effort in going after.I also know I am not the only one who believes this neither.Others are just too scared of being ridiculed like I am but it dosen't bother me because in time it will open itself up trust me on this one in time you will see and when you do you will think back to this conversation.But anyway back to the conversation of the stone.Thnx for your input though and your not a heathen your a good friend to those in need and have been rejected by alot.Your a good person when you want to be and have been on a roller coaster called life for a while but it will get better when you want it too.
im going to start a new tribe called 'heathen alchemists'. :)
thank you for the inspirtation.
sometimes an antagonist is just the impetus needed to acheive, other, more focused goals.
Now pay attention to your moderator more, she has it going on, and really does know her subject admirably. I am i awe of her.
now off to the path for some walking.
I did not notice replies to this thread till now. sorry I am not yet familiar with this system hahaha oh well. I want to comment more and will. I am in a hurry this moment so I will be back.
But Emerald Tablet is very valuable and it is you must remember written long ago when language was closer to truth, in other words modern English and western European language is a handicapped language as is the western mindset. This is not a debate so you must research this heavily if you do not agree. It is simple point of fact. So we are handicapped in our way of thinking to begin with hahaha
Emerald Tablet is written like Tao Te Ching, it is speaking of the eternal energy of creation.
But lets put it in a more practical way of understanding and experience. Have you tried alchemical elixirs or something as simple as ormus. This is something you can physically experience. You see alchemy is the western yoga and alchemy is the science of raising vibration. If you use ormus you will feel it and you will not philosophize as much as you will become more aware and know.
Please do comment and I shall read the above posts better and come back to reply.
I have read the emerald tablet supposedly written by thoth but so far these writtings could be fabricated.Though the sayings within are the secret of the philosophers stone the process of metallurgy.I find the writtings interesting but when tring to trace the roots of the emerald tablet the last person who was supposedly in possesion of it was Alexander the great then it gets lost through history.I have found one more person who wrote about it and wrote an alchemical coded manuscript and a few colleagues of mine may think if the myth is real than this might be a nice chunk of the were abouts that it might be.The person writting the manuscript wrote in cryptographic ciphers and symbols but I'm taking a class in cryptology and find the field interesting.If your really going to study ancient alchemy I would suggest it since some of their secrets are behind symbols and mumbo jumbo words that to us look like nothing but to the trained eye the small phrase contains much.I luv alchemy and find it interesting because of the ancient science they were taping into.But so far the emerald tablet still remains in my eyes a fabrication until I further investigate.If it starts to look good I'm writing a book about it because I find the emerald tablet myth interesting and you have to keep it just that a myth till one opens whether it is really a myth or not.So far what we found on this subject and the people we are currently studying right now because the trail to tracing it just drops off then hints in china,India,Russia,Iraq turn up but I will not talk about this.But yes the emerald tablet is interesting and thoth did exist but that was not his real name and he was a pharaoh in the 16th dynasty and thats all I'm going to open at this point but research is proving useful.
the simplest way to answer that practice is to not theorize, but actually practice the arte. authorship and antiquity are secondary to result and usefulness.
Here is a brief commentary on The Emerald Tablet:
Here is multiple translations for anyone wishing to study it. This is a book one must contemplate, to read it like you read a text book will reveal little.
and here is a very good article on alchemy to make sure you have some essential ideas:
I recommend a new book written by Robert Cox, it is called. "Elixir of Immortality" in this book he reveals how to make the Philosophers Stone as well as gives essential background information.
A small portion of the above article on Alchemy I have posted above:
The Emerald Formula
The foundation of alchemical philosophy and practice is reflected in nature's elements and universal
pattern of transformation. The four elements are Earth, Air, Fire, and Water. The seven phase
pattern of transformation is comprised of Calcination, Dissolution, Separation, Conjunction,
Fermentation, Distillation, and Coagulation. This is also known as the Emerald Formula.
The elements are considered by the ancients to be the building blocks of manifest creation. The
elements are not simply the physical elements, but are very broadly defined principles of nature.
The Quintessence or Fifth Element corresponds to the Divine Essence or Essence of God. This
divine essence or elixir was known as Soma, Rasa, or Amrita by the East Indians, Star Fire by the
Sumerians, Ambrosia by the Greeks, Manna, Christos, or Living Water by the Hebrews, and The
Philosophers Stone or Universal Medicine by the Europeans.
The term Elixir stems from the Arabic Aliksir and Greek Xerion which means medicine. The
elements make up the human body and mind. When one masters the five elements, one becomes
an Adept, Siddha, or Perfected One. This is the transformation from mortal to immortal or human to
godlike superhuman known as Apotheosis.
Hermes or Mercury is known as the Messenger of the Gods and is a recurring archetype in history
who restores the knowledge of Divine Union with the absolute. He is traditionally pictured holding
the Caduceus Staff which symbolizes the alchemical process of spiritual liberation. The goddess
Athena is the female counterpart of Mercury.
What is striking when studying the various alchemical traditions from around the world and
throughout history, is that they employ the same basic pattern of transformation mirrored in the
Emerald Formula. Most notably, the Emerald Formula is reflected in the oldest known source book
of knowledge, the Rig Veda of India. Rig means praise and Veda means knowledge. Soma
researcher David Spess points out that all the aspects found in the Soma ceremony of the Rig Veda
are found in the Emerald Formula.
also calcination is not the first step to the philosophers stone the steps are out of sequence.The first step is fermentation in the fire water which breaks down the metals one is using.Its like taking a glass of warm water and taking salt,pour the salt into the water and stir it till its dissolved.Now try some the water is still salty but remains of salt look gone right.Well if you try the water the water has taken up the properties of the salt and the salt is still within the water.With slow application to heat you can bring the salt back from out of the water this process is also what makes the stone.The alchemist drawing "Tabula Smaragdina" tells that fermentation is the begining process I will not go much into detail but lets just say its interesting.I have some copper mixed with steel that was put through certain processes and the end result is it started to transmutate into the substance we know best although not pure yet but it will give others something to look at.I will take a picture of it
soon and let yall know when I post it.In the pic you will see the copper and there is one other metal we used to fuse together and the results well you will see.This is also to prove to others I know what I'm doing.I luv alchemy as I do the spiritual side of it as well all in all I am glade when others are doing the same thing which is the "Great Work" going after the what,why,how, of life.Thnx for the book I will look into it but the one I have been studying alot if yall are interested well one of the many books I have but the name is "Opus Mago-Cabbalisticum Et Theosophicum" by Joseph G. Mcveigh this book reveals much but tucked behind symbolism.I recommend this book to any seriously practicing alchemist as to the secrets within this book are fascinating.The one quote I luv is:
Search and you will find
ask and you shall receive
knock and a door will be opened to you.
These elaborate manipulations are essentially a meditation on matter. One can make up one's own meditation. Do not limit yourselves to these dusty old formulas. Wing it.
thats what we did.The whole point is to learn the old way then modify it.The whole reason why is you have to know how the metal is going to react to certain chemicals because some of these experiments will give off fumes that can kill you.Alchemists would draw a road or a tower
and there would be snakes every were but certain spots would not be blocked basically telling someone this path is dangerous and can overcome you if you do not be careful.There are hidden dangers to look out for but once overcome then you will produce something that will forever change your life.Some thought this knowledge was a divine knowledge and only those who were being lead by the spirit would obtain such feats I can say this no one manuscript or book will answer the philosophers stone in one sitting.I had to go through so many books and manuscripts its like the pieces to a puzzle.I luv solving stuff like this I take pride going after the impossible and solving secrets because you never know what your going to find.But the one thing I like about the experiment is the matter ie...molecules in the experiment die and when I mean die I mean the molecules are dead then as you progress in the experiment you bring back the molecules but they revive to a higher vibration then when the stone starts to congeal the matter reforms and solidifies into gold.The metals worked with are the impure forms of what make up gold your just making them pure again but in a week.
You don't need metals.
The ancient books are to give you hints and yes your absolutely correct that your own intuition is what is required to complete the task. Also working with metals in one path, internal alchemy or yoga was created as a alternative method when the science of alchemy was lost.
So there is multiple ways to achieve the goal of enlightenment.
I encourage you to always follow your heart and keep on the path.
Have either of you tried ormus? Ormus is one of the first steps towards the philosophers stone but still the great work is much further and requires the alchemist to be spiritually pure. People not in tune cannot make the elixir of immortality.
I have more books to share if anyone is interested.
The philosopher's stone does not bring enlightenment.
Well if it's not your thing to pursue that is understandable. But scholars who have read the ancient Vedic texts all recognize that alchemy was the original science and meditative yoga came last. Not all yoga, as Yoga of sound is pre alchemy and meditative yoga...
The Philosophers Stone is a new term for the elixir and it takes much more then I can say in this box. But we can keep plugging away here if anyone is curious...
If enlightenment is a true and honest possibility why would you limit the ways to approach it? I don't think limitations are the essence of ultimate awareness. If all is one and earth is part of this oneness then what is it your disagreeing with?
Enlightenment brings the philosopher's stone.
As above so, so below.
Yes your absolutely correct, one cannot make the philosophers stone without being enlightened. The process is a external yoga meditation. But with one small little detail, you will have proof by have the Philosophers Stone, or elixir of immortality. Also immortality is not simply the old notion of vital health and well being but freedom from re-birth.
If one is not enlightened you can have the recipe and it will never work for you...
You need not believe, I don't think faith has anything to do with it. But many are currently on the verge of re-discovering this knowledge and many will never pursue it as it is difficult, complex work with dangerous substances.
I recommend a new book just out called "Elixir of Immortality" by Robert Cox, he gives a very good over view of alchemy and details on making the Stone. He is a vedic scholar and alchemist.
Personally, I find "enlightenment" to be a word and an idea that gets in the way.
Enlightenment is no more than waking up from the slumber we call life to higher possibilities.Enlightenment to me is the process of waking
the subconscious to the objective reality and opening the door to further understanding that their is higher things in life that exist.Just because you can't see them does not mean they do not exist.Enlightenment enables you to communicate to this divine essence and learn to understand it.And in so doing you might understand lifes hidden question.Why were we created.................simple if you ask me just think about it for a moment.Life was created as an experiment to test the creativity of GOD or what ever you wish to call him.Of course if you were a GOD would you want to sit all alone it gets boring after a while.I can tell you we were not the first things in this universe created.Life was just formed to just live thats it just live and understand survival grow and to learn how this process was created or you can just live and die its all up to you.No one sticks a gun to your head and says "Hey you must figure this out" or what is the purpose of life?Life is to just live and live to the fullest.Whatever you wish to become you can there are no limits to what you can achieve.Not everyone wishes to be awakened because they are nervous in what they may find.You may find that religion is totally wrong and just used to make money.Truth comes in all forms and pure truth will sometimes go against what you believe because not everything you are taught is truth.This path is for everyone but only those who can survive the impact.This path will not call out you must look for it.If not then just go watch T.V and work your job and grow old and die thats it.But certain few wish to know more and its by these questions and instinct that drives us for the quest of searching because while you search Weird things will happen.To some it can scare you but to others it fuels the fire for more its just up to you whether you can handle the ride or not.
and no enlightenment does not bring the stone.The stone is sought after only by people who know about it.But few obtain it because in wealth
there lies a hidden destruction and if the divine soul knows you will not survive this test then you obtaining it will never happen thats why this knowledge was hidden behind symbols and pictures and ramblings because it was meant to be hidden from criminals or from people who would use this to evil ends think about it.Give this to a criminal and its like endless money think about it would you give a nuclear bomb to your enemy.The stone has many aspects but is only sought after by those who wish to obtain it because in this one can fund money to a good purpose and fund better research for cures or by building children shelters you name it.Like I said in history you will find the alchemists who succeeded in the stone because they went from very poor to all of a sudden they were building churches and donating money to feed the hungry or the such.In so doing this if one can not handle such responsibility then how will you obtain the ultimate responsibility of the divine soul that I have written about in here.With reward comes great responsibility but the divine soul and obtaining it is like making someone a president only giving them ruler-ship over much more than just the physical plan and giving them a GOD like power such a position is why the devil fell it was not the devil tempting the devil it was he had absolute power because he was GODS son what father would not give their children the same gift then place them ruler over everything.In this came great responsibility and he failed and in so doing once he fell this position was opened to us being made heirs I cannot go into detail here as it would be too lengthy.All I can say is in life we all make decisions and its by these choices that we climb or become destroyed the journey is up to us and you make that journey along the way.How ruff or smooth you wish to make it relies in your own way you live it.
Solari, your the one who mentioned enlightenment, so I just carried on from there. I am intrigued by what it is your considering. Can you explain?
Enlightenment does not bring the stone, but the stone cannot be created unless your enlightened. Does that make sense? I know people who are extremely spiritual and to my way of thinking they are adepts but they do not know how to make the Stone and are attempting to find out. They are rare and few and many who have found spiritual path's simply don't stray further and seek more. I cannot say why some will, but I do... It seems like perfect nonsense to most people. I am aware how it may seem. I do not wish to convince only to say there is more to life then meets the eyes.
Can you believe this current reality we are now living. I mean our modern society and ways of making a living etc. Is all hogwash and a few discovered some secrets and stole most of humanities souls...perhaps re-discovering alchemy will begin to free people from this constraining, manipulating madness called current civilization. Hmmm wow! i went off the deep end on that one hehehe but it is so true. If you have the heart to see it I am sure you will.
I have this belief system because of experiences I have had. I am also a stubborn fool who never believed in spiritual airy fairy stuff but I had my eyes forcibly opened and I caught a glimpse. ;-)
Alchemy is the science of raising vibrations...
"Alchemy is the science of raising vibrations."
Just leave it at that.
I am posting in my pics on my profile the starting transmutation of the stone I will take more shots later just go to my homepage and look in my pics you will see the copper object but how we got it this way I will not tell but those who are interested in seeing something awesome go look and enjoy I do this for all those who search and never find keep on going.
well photo's are too big for tribe so I posted them on my yahoo page here is the link and trust me it is 100% virus free let me know if you get this link right
Ok I guess link is not going to work try this one it is my yahoo group I'm tring to start join me if you like but you should be able to view photo's from here
I'm tring ti get yall there lol I hate that tribe only gives you 1mb per photo this is a 3.5 mb lol
ok I got it now in my tribe profile pic folder check it out sorry for all the messages had to modify pic to fit tribe.There are two pics of the item in my hand it is copper and other things that fused and is in the process of transmutating to gold.I do this for all the non believers this is something to look at and think about.Like I said for those who search and do it with a good heart much will be found.
This thread survives.
Nice going. I want to think of more of those dualities. Anyone have more to add to the list?
I was quite impressed by your offering to this thread.
I would have to think about it. Are there any basic concepts left out that can be expressed in human terms?
some of them (concepts) by nature, transcend understanding at lower levels of being. :) so are they there? yes. communicating them fluently to all people is the problem.
Fluency.. flow.. liquidity.. I am not in the same mindset as when I posted that, by lengths and bounds.
I want to post your photo from that thread in TOU Watchdog where the naked woman in astride the beast. Too lazy to find that.
How about the Crowley Tarot Card: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Babalon.jpg
What is this about? Is it truly sexual? Chalice? You had some good ones in those threads.
Ideas escape... but:
see/ be perceived
How is unity of observed symbols synthesized? I thought that actually life here is death, from a different perspective. I think Crowleyan submersion in sex is but a refusal to think in the standardized ways that this average lot thinks in. 'Everything Is Permitted', but where, for what reasons, with what repercussions, and who has tickets, who's invited, and it the master of ceremonies actually in attendance?
At what point did this become sexualized, in the manner of a 'receptacle' for male energy, in the form of a female, and *why do we think that way*? Why the insistence on human sexual? Is it a prison for the mind?
"How is unity of observed symbols synthesized?"
There are many grey areas, no? And so I think there are regions where one can cohabit in the sense of identifying with both sides of such dualities, and often, as I've said for a very long time, to believe or strictly restrict the formulation of these polarities as human male and female sexual is a hamstringing of the thought process. Not feeling creative enough to come up with other joined ideas to that list. Maybe later.
Why does the term "subject" imply by its prefix a subjugation (in the proper context of choice of definition and interpretation) to the "object", and why? Subject is often interpreted as "I", but a sentence has to have a predicate.
I like the way it's discussed in the vedas. The interplay of opposing forces in the universe is called the Dance of Shiva. Another fascinating way to look at it is to check out Taoism and Read
The Tao Te Ching
All under heaven see beauty as beauty only because they also see ugliness.
All announce that good is good only because they also denounce what is bad.
Therefore, something and nothing give birth to one another.
Difficult and easy complete one another.
Long and short fashion one another.
High and low arise from one another.
Notes and tones harmonise with one another.
Front and back follow one another.
Thus, the True Person acts without striving and teaches without words.
Deny nothing to the ten thousand things.
Nourish them without claiming authority,
Benefit them without demanding gratitude,
Do the work, then move on.
And, the fruits of your labour will last forever."
Thats an awesome post Rick that phrase says alot I happen to also agree.Life is what you make it not what controls it the only person who controls their destiny is the person in the mirror.And as far as symbols go to the other post they are but expressions of meaning for something hidden if you can awaken the symbol you awaken something that lies hidden and once opened great things can be achieved.In one symbol words could write a book but to the uninitiated its just a drawing and means nothing but to the trained eye one symbol can say enough deppending on what your looking for.
Since ancient Egyptian times, alchemists have worked in secret to produce something called the Philosopher's Stone,
or the Elixir of Life, what the Egyptian's called Mfkzt
The materials that Hudson and other researchers have found are believed to be related to the Philosopher's Stone. The materials have been called ORMEs, monoatomic gold, white gold, white powder gold, ORMUS, m-state, AuM, microclusters, and manna.
David Hudson calls the materials he found Orbitally Rearranged Monoatomic Elements or ORMEs.
He also refers to them as monoatomic elements in a high-spin state.
Monatomic elements are superconductive and when they are ingested into our bodies, they change our cellular structure into one that is also superconductive. The cells become superconductors for an increased flow of photons.
The electrical output can also increase your electromagnetic field. The increased energy you feel when ingesting monatomic elements, such as monatomic gold, is unmistakable.
According to David Hudson, the ORMUS elements connect with the non-physical reality through what is called the zero point. One way to look at this idea is that there is endless potential for new energy.
Some believe that consciousness influences matter. Many studies of these materials consist of looking for and understanding the linkages between consciousness, matter, and all that exists, the oneness seen by David Bohm, Everett, Bohr and other such pioneers as the quantum domain."
The center of the periodic chart of elements consists of what are known as the "transition elements," meaning that they can transit from metallic to monatomic or diatomic via chemical treatment or through other means (what some would refer to as "shadow chemistry" or "arcane chemistry" or even "alchemy"). Take gold for example. When you have two or more gold atoms in a microcluster, it will have metallic properties, but if you have only one atom, it will then have ceramic properties, which means that it becomes chemically inert but at the same time will have superconductive capabilities even at room temperature. The weight of these amazing materials can also change by heating, becoming lighter, even to the point of levitation. Because it is chemically inert, it can be ingested for health, wellbeing and super-energizing at the cellular level.
Not only do our cells communicate via chemicals and electricity in our nervous system, they also communicate intercellularly through the exchange of photons or light particles and other processes, as well. The human body is a marvelous bioelectric machine, and all of its processes depend on the clear and (ideally) unimpeded conduction of electrical "messages" required to carry out those processes. Light, as proven by fiber optics, can carry more and actually "purer" information. As mentioned above, these materials are superconductive, and therefore change our bodies at the cellular level, from our organs, muscles and tissues to our brain and nervous system, into superconductors of a greatly increased flow of photons, greatly increased because the materials themselves are in a sense "liquid (or powdered) light." It's like installing 'gold tipped' wires on your brain synapse. Put another way, you could say that monatomics transform the body's "wiring" from being simple copper cable to being wired with fiber-optics, where the same "width" of wiring is able to carry 1,000 times as much 'processing' information.
Superhealth begins at the level of our cells. The reactions required to make these astonishing materials cause boosts in the presence of, and reaction with, hydrogen. When more hydrogen is present, the surface tension of water (or any other liquid) is reduced. When ingesting any liquid with a reduced surface tension of the water molecule itself, the result is a reduction in the surface tension of our cell walls. That allows a greater influx of oxygen which displaces carbon dioxide trapped in the cells, and also increases the uptake of any other nutrients present.
>>>What is this about? Is it truly sexual? Chalice?<<<
Yes, it is sexual in meaning. It is also and equally an alchemical energy. With Crowley, the two tend to go together. I'm beginning to suspect that Crowley uses the sexual imagery to distract attention from the alchemical matters he is really writing about. He likes to misdirect the reader, but he always drops warnings in his writings, as in his chapter on blood sacrifice, where he discusses all kinds of sacrifice, including human sacrifice. But at the very end of the chapter, he footnotes the chapter, saying that not a word of the chapter means what it seems to mean and is a kind of code which only initiates will understand. He adds a warning that if the uninitiated tries to use the information in the chapter, they will cause themselves a lot of trouble. Oddly, everyone find that chapter of "Magick in Theory and Practice, to be evil and disgusting, but never seem to read that footnote at the end. It very clearly tells us that the subject of the chapter is not what it seems to be and that the terms used have hidden meanings that is intended to confuse the uninitiated.
With love under will,
The Wizzard of Jacksonville
from the gloria mundi:
the stone is familiar to all men, both young and old; it is found in the country, in the village and in the town, in all things created by god; yet it is despised by all. rich and poor handle it every day. it is cast into the street by servant maids. children play with it. yet no one prizes it, though, next to the human soul, it is the most beautiful and most precious thing upon earth and has power to pull down kings and princes. nevertheless, it is esteemed the vilest and meanest of earthly things.
Alchemy is accomplished by changing the frequency of thought, altering the harmonics of matter and applying the elements of Love to create the desired result. -- Jim Self
Ora, lege, lege, lege, relege, labora et invenies
THE DIAMOND BODY:
A SOLID STATE MANDALA
A MODERN ALCHEMICAL VIEW OF
THE PHILOSOPHER'S STONE
"THE PHILOSOPHERS STONE
7He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes, I will give the right to eat from the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God.
11He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. He who overcomes will not be hurt at all by the second death.
17He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes, I will give some of the hidden manna. I will also give him a white stone with a new name written on it, known only to him who receives it"
def of manna and my thought since 1996 that the ps cubensis is not only the holy golden cup of manna but also the grail..
im a mycologist ive studied all of them and the ps cube is the only one who has the most checks when it comes to comparing the description of manna... and i have tons of other proof that backs up all of it from my life to old cryptic paintings including the last supper that reads like a story of my life over the last 14 years.. even the back ground of the last supper painting , the windows where the same as where i used to live in las cruces new mexico .. that house was built in 1994, same year i became a mycologist, but i lived in Massachusetts , not new mexico..
when i bought the house in 2005 i thought something was strange when i realized the people who where selling the house to me where matha and mary noel......
so in the painting there is a clear showing of a mushroom cap and stem , look at my photo's its all there ...
but hey do i care?
no i lived it i have had enough of all that..
even though i have enough proof to show i am being blocked by the power that be because they think if i come up then i will come after them for what they did to me..
i could care less what happens to them , they bought a one way ticket to hell when they crossed me for no reason..
i dont need to do more then that.. i let them enjoy life cause when its over someday they are going to spend eternity by themselfs..
its a "S-tone" the vibrational sound ..
god i have been trying to get someone to listen for years..
then i realized no one cares.. the ones who do already know this so i dont need to bother lol
i know the answers
you havent asked those questions yet.. when you are ready you all will..
and i want to personally thank iona for this tribe and all of you for sharing in this weather right or wrong at least you talk about interesting stuff vs- most tribes that are useless........ thank you.. -s-
A number of ethnomycologists such as R. Gordon Wasson, John Marco Allegro, and Terence McKenna, have suggested that most characteristics of manna are similar to that of Psilocybe cubensis mushrooms, notorious breeding grounds for insects, which decompose rapidly. These peculiar fungi naturally produce a number of molecules that resemble human neurochemicals, and first appear as small fibres (mycelia) that resemble hoarfrost. This speculation (also paralleled in Philip K. Dick's posthumously published The Transmigration of Timothy Archer) is supported in a wider cultural context when compared with the praise of Haoma in the Rigveda, Mexican praise of teonanácatl
... "a kind of code which only initiates will understand" ...
I like what you said there, especially the Bible verses. I saw a guy on Youtube a while back saying similar things.
I would like to add a few things:
1. Leviathan, the Serpent, and Satan/Lucifer are different things. Leviathan is the Prima Materia, the Ancient One of the Mountains.
Leviathan is the "shell" which greedily holds the precious Pearl and keeps it from the casual seeker.
He is the "Matrix" or shell of the Tree of Knowledge.
The Serpent is the symbol of a volatile liquid, and is the Two-Fold Water of Paradise, the Double Edged Flaming Sword, in the hand of
the guarding Cherub (Leviathan), who guards the Way to the Tree of Life from all but they who know how to properly change 3 into 1.
Lucifer was the king of the race of beings known as Shaytan (Satan). Fallen Angel / Deceiving Alien, whatever you call him.
I know a certain Serpent who still tempts and deceives and kills many thousands of drunks every day.
A LIFE cannot exist without Body, Soul, and Spirit. Consciousness requires also a Mind in between the Soul and Spirit.
2. The Prima Materia is Leviathan, as mentioned in the Book of Job, and yes he is Lucifer/Satan, in the form he received after the fall
"cursed more than all the beasts of the field". He is beneath them all now, no longer upright, obedient and glorious.
3. This Leviathan must be killed with the Double Edged Flaming Sword (which moves ALL directions at once), and from this Two-Fold
Water (the Twins, Sun and Moon, of common origin and opposite nature) the Leviathan is slain and the Laton is washed clean and
made White. It is now the Stone of Revelation 2:17. I have known it since my birth, and have communicated with everything, and
have received more than I can contain, for the universe is my womb, and when I am born, I will be beyond it even as a newborn
baby is beyond the womb.
4. The water of the Moon is a chaste virgin, who desires to be with her husband in their Royal Bedchamber (the Stone) within their Palace
(the Vessel, egg shaped, tear-shaped and small pumpkin-shaped work best...a short & wide vessel for the Putrefaction, an egg or tear-
shaped vessel for the White and Red). The water of the Sun is the Serpent within the Tree, for he is the lifeblood of the tree, and thus
he deceived Eve with the false glory of his own fruit. If the Red appears before the Black, a Nihilixer results, a deadly poison.
All who misuse this Stone and its derivatives have grieved the Holy Spirit, and thus the world shall end.
5. When the Leviathan is killed, the White which arises is the Splendor and although yes this came from the corpse of the Devil, it is
nevertheless that very same blessing he stole from Man by tinging man to a corrupt nature in the same way a small turd in your
chocolate pudding might defile it and cause it to be thrown away in disgust. The White Stone is the Manna, and the Word of God
from which all things were created by the Son through the Will of the Father. Why is the Great Blessing found in the Corpse of
Leviathan? Because Sin (the Black Stone / Death / genetic corruption through disobedience to the Father) must itself die for Purity
(White Stone) and Perfection (Red Stone Exalted) to come. Or to state is with a paraphrased Bible quote "the Lord dwells in deep
darkness" and thus the Veil covered the Holy of Holies, to keep it always dark and undisturbed except by the High Priest.
Also consider the Bible passage which says "Satan transforms himself into an angel of light". This could mean a disguise, OR
a literal change from evil (disobedience to God) to righteousness (obedience to God). Good is not the opposite of Evil, as most think.
All men are Evil from birth, and not one is Good. Therefore righteousness must be the opposite of evil, since man can partake
evenly of both according to their choices, but no man can achieve Goodness, for only the Father Himself is Good.
6. The White Stone begins to grow from the edges of the black if exposed to too much air as from an improper seal or too little moisture
and/or heat. The Black should be washed with the Water of Luna, and the White should receive Luna for the White, Sol for the Red,
or both for the Medicine, which then can be multiplied ad infinitum, though technically all the colors can be multiplied, and are multiplied
in the hour of their death. Fermentation is the key to transmutation, this is true.
I have not yet made gold, as I have inadequate space to work with metals and most chemicals, but I have made the Stone in all its stages
on a hotplate I left running for over 5 years. I have seen it Black & putrid, White and amorphous, Yellow as lemons, Orange like a beautiful sunrise translucent and dripping with orange dew, Red as blood & translucent, also Red as rubies and with a metallic sparkle.
I have experimented for probably 20 years now, though I understood this Art from the first I ever read of it, an article on the Stone in the encyclopedia "Man, Myth, and Magic". The more I learned, the more I realized I had known it all along, since around 3 years of age. I learned it all in dreams and visions as a child, reached the state of gnosis at age 10 when I realized "I exist" and for a few minutes was one with everything. Before the Almighty cursed the world and made thorns and thistles to grow, plants had soft bark and were pretty squishy, their trunks being like giant celery stalks or carrots. There wasn't a hard bark on them, and all the leaves were bigger. Don't ask me how I know that, I was there. I won't elaborate or explain. I also know that the moment the curse fell upon the world, fungus and bacteria and virii also appeared, and certain places in the world were covered in patches of giant mushrooms, blue and purple mostly, some greyish white like toadstools, and some 20+ feet tall. The Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil AND the Tree of Life BOTH grew
in the "middle" of the Garden, thus assuming our Vessel to be a remaking of the Garden, we see the Stone (both trees) growing in the
middle if the vessel is sealed properly. All 12 trees of Paradise can be grown in the artificial Garden, 5 of which are for the healing of
the nations, and 7 of which are for the Father's Elect Chosen Ones.
One last thing before I ramble my fingers to nubs:
Concerning the Leviathan, and how he was cursed below all the beasts of the field. Consider in Genesis, when God tells the Serpent:
"You shall bruise his (man's) heel, and he shall crush your head".
There is a song called Stoneflower by a band called Angel of Fire. The video is a wonderful piece of sneaky alchemical revelation which few would understand beyond the merits of the music itself.
Also the metal band Amorphis has a lot of music and cover art which is highly alchemical in its symbology.
To aspiring alchemical students, I would recommend all of the following books, among others. In these few however, you may find the
entirety of the Secret:
The Holy Bible (King James Version)
The Gospel of Thomas
Alchemical Catechism by Paracelsus
Coelum Philosophorum by Paracelsus
The Treasure of Treasures for Alchemists by Paracelsus
The Book Concerning the Tincture of the Philosophers by Paracelsus
The Aurora of Philosophers by Paracelsus
SALTZAL (Discourse on the Fountain of Philosophical Salt) by Solinus
A Brief Guide to the Celestial Ruby by Philalethes
Metamorphosis of Metals by Philalethes
The Hermetic Museum
And for understanding the nature of the White Stone -- the Tao Te Ching
And for understanding man's relationship to nature, websearch the following:
Calcite Microcrystals in the Pineal Gland of the Human Brain - First Physical and Chemical Studies
Brain Wave Entrainment and Pulsed Electromagnetic Fields (PEMF)
The Schumann's Resonances and Human Psychobiology
The Holy Art consists in taking what is naturally cursed and evil, removing the curse
artificially, and allowing what is pure and true to separate itself from the dregs of cursed sin. Once the pure is separated, the natural
Goal (tendency towards perfection and away from sin) is quickly achieved. Remember, the Apostle Peter was called Hermes in one place because he taught that man is a "Living, Lively Stone". This is no coincidence, those people knew why they were calling him Hermes.
But even with the Thrice-Great Hermes and Osiris, it is as Jesus said "all who came before me were thieves", for they took and used the
Holy Gift without knowing the Giver of it.
This Stone, brought to Redness and Perfect Fixation, is the Serpent-Staff of Moses, and the Blood of the Lamb Slain from the Foundation Stone of the World. In short, if you find it, mind your manners and curse yourself for your wicked sinful nature and repent, lest God curse you instead for placing yourself before the Son only to be called a thief and hung beside Him.
Because the Art was pre-programmed into me, that I did not have to learn it from men, I know some things about it even the Rosicrucians and Masons don't know. ;)
"Belay thy will Satan," says Metatron, "for it is meet that angels should worship the Perfect Image of the Maker, and not vice versa. Nor shall they worship the corruption of the Image, but that which was made Perfect for the Perfection of All in All."
Blessed be the name of the Son, for by Him the Father shows His Mercy, redeeming the corrupt and sending the Spirit to revive us in our daily fatigue. The path is narrow, long, and unlit, but the shadow of death in this valley of sorrow we fear not, for we know where we are from and to where we return, and we are assured of Father's Grace in that while we are still sinners, we are allowed in a manner to
behold the Son and the Spirit, as we await the face of the Father at journey's end.
''including human sacrifice.''
ye gods he was tongue in cheek refering to his yearly practice of sacraficing 156 perfect male childern on the altar of babalon. = a sexual magical or tantric sacrafice of his sperm(perfect male children) on the altar of woman(babalon) He was saying he performed ritual sex magic 156 times a year. crowley practiced real sex magic, so any misdirection was not towards hiding things-it was an edwardian era, and if you didn't want your magic books burnt (which was not uncommon for aleister), you reffered to the knowledge of physical intimacies with other words or terms. But aleister is actually very clear about what is to be taken, how.
''Lucifer was the king of the race of beings known as Shaytan (Satan). Fallen Angel / Deceiving Alien, whatever you call him.
I know a certain Serpent who still tempts and deceives and kills many thousands of drunks every day.
The Holy Art consists in taking what is naturally cursed and evil, removing the curse
artificially, and allowing what is pure and true to separate itself from the dregs of cursed sin. ''
these statements are in contridiction with the tao te ching altogether, and it seems you are quoting from a larger body of work without telling us what it is in your beginning numbered points you make. And to me, it seems like it is a wonderful mix of middle eastern and old testament mad jehovah god thing- which is ok, but i personally do not take anything too seriously that makes observations or advice based on a sin and guilt and original sin value system of thought. Its relevant to xtians of various denominations, but the world is much larger than it was some six thousand or so (give or take, im tired) years ago- we now know that there have been and are, more religions and cultures with as much or more detail than biblical ones, than the 'three religions of the world' (couph couph). So if there is a key, it is to be found in the foundations of conciousness and perception, including 'orthodox' religions, as well as the rest of the world and its peoples and life experiences, not limited to a particular epoch or religious informants. For things to work as a whole, together in harmony, philosophy that is inclusive rather than exclusive has more of a feel of authority and genuine'ness to the 'uninitiated', leading to more progressive involvement in the evolvement of their own conciousness and state of being. When people beleive in their innate goodness and cooperative spirit, many things come to fruition that cannot within a sinner / guilty refrence model.
Aqua Vitae is a needed ingredient in the practice of some processes of external alchemy, including the spyragic in particular - Its not Satan, The Deceiver, or other fun personal evil being. Accidents and stupidity and free will have alot more to do with death by alcohol than someones devil. I understand some peoples need for extremes to keep on their way and path, but we humans do not need an outside spritual agent to take his time to plot our downfall, the foilbes of human nature are more than adequate to explain the deaths. Wine is one of the sacraments of some branches of xitianity, if i recall correctly. Surely jesus didn't change the water into wine so we have more thousands of dead every year, correct??? The heart of the man of light, is the location of our intentions, we need look no farther for understanding to participate in our spiritual lives fully and work towards individual Gnosis.
As you say all religions coalesce and deliver the same message. The problem is the conditioning of the person reading the texts and the conditioning of the person that wrote it, or interpreted it. If any text is viewed from the point of view of consciousness then the explanation becomes expansive and clear.
Satan, as a serpent in the garden of eden represents Kundalini energy. He tempts Eve to eat the fruit of the the tree of knowledge of good and bad. As a result she enters the conditioned, polar mind. Where we live in opposites and comparison and where every statement contradicts itself i.e. to say that something doesn't exist actually makes it more real ! This cut her off from Kundalini energy because it is the totally unified power. Which resulted in her moving from the garden of eden (paradise, nirvana etc.).
This is the state that we humans now find ourselves in. It is our task to find the path to re-enter the garden of eden by raising our unified Kundalini energy. Coming back to our source of power........ our original state.
Alchemy is about changing the states of the energies that we have bouncing about within. Until they have refined into a unity within. Taoism refines energy with practices such as the microcosmic orbit, which are then raised up the spine to the crown and into unity. Kundalini is precisely the same and so on in any spiritual discipline, even christianity. Christ states that "no-one shall come to the father except through me". He took on our original sin of eating the fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil and showed us the result of alchemy within himself. Thus the void of no-mind can only be entered by dropping conditioning and duality and refining them until internal unity is achieved and 'God" is alive within you - no longer some external cloud riding puff of smoke with a beard !
So sin and guilt are great and certainly are to be fully explored and the energy of them understood, cultivated, refined and used. If you push them to the side then you have made your spiritual path next to impossible.
External Alchemy is just an addition to internal alchemy. It is to provide the mind with a focus that can offer the doorway into the state of unity and nothing more than this. Any spiritual process is the same process. The people responsible for the initial messages were offering explanations to the intellect, that have been watered down throughout the centuries, all had undergone the same process of getting past the conditioned mind into the state of unity, of all the faculties available to us. So that we can live outside of memory, thought, dreams, desires, association, attachment, desire and biological urges. Working in harmony with our environment and cultivating energy upon all levels.......
im good with my kundalini practice, and i guess it sounds like you are one of those folks that have a sin gulit beleif system. Have a wonderful time with that. Its obvious that religious judgement and bias is largely running the thot processes here.
kundalini is from a tradition that doesn't include eve and the original sin complex of thot, so i see that conversation is circular, and i just don't have a whole lot to say to folks that want to assert their religious interpretation over what i say. Impurities are to be cleansed and elevated, but you are very free to keep your sin and guilt studies for a mind more fertile for such implantation. Impurites are just dross energy and matter. Not sin, not guilt, and im not avoiding examining anything about myself- i just see no need for overseeing judgement systems that predisposes the nature of my being without knowing me. Goodnighty.
>>>the blessing of bread and wine, the most profound and central blessing in both the Jewish and the Christian streams<<<
It is also central to the modern Gnostic stream and appears clearly in the Gnostic Mass in which the Priest blesses the bread and wine and transforms them into the body and the blood of God. It is up to the individual communicant as to whether he/she interprets this literally, metaphorically, spiritually or magickally. After communion, it is customary for each communicant to declare, "There is no part of me that is not of the Gods." And again, no particular gods are specified by name, though in the context of the entire Mass, they may be identified as Nuit, Hadit and Ra Hoor Khuit, though from another perspective, these are philosophical/mathematical ideas rather than persons.
What can I say, it gets confusing.
One part of the Gnostic Creed, however, directly concerns alchemy, "Forasmuch as meat and drink are transmuted in us daily into spiritual substance, I believe in the Miracle of the Mass."
Thus, from the Thelemic view, human life itself is an alchemical process.
With love under will,
The Wizzard of Jacksonville
It doesn't matter which story comes from which discipline. All spirituality educates upon the emancipation from the conditioned mind. Therefore all texts are interchangeable and interrelated. If you look at such things from the point of view of pure unconditioned consciousness, then all the same patterns, practices and theories leap out at you time after time after time. Regardless of discipline or doctrine - this is alchemy of the highest order. Unbound by any idea or concept formed by the conditioned ego-mind. Just experimentation to find the truth, or the real.
I use Christianity and Kundalini as examples and you have immediately squeezed me into the category of religious fanatic. If I look at your statements from the point of view of consciousness I see some very strong biases, beliefs and condemnations. I am open to discussion upon any level and you cannot even relate a process within Kundalini to the same process within Christianity. (I experience Kundalini as practical and Christianity as Theoretical Alchemy).
Anything that exists within the human organism is there because we created it. Therefore if you have a concept of sin then you will punish your consciousness in some way, when you do sin against your moral code. If you discount sin as an impurity then you are merely pushing it under the carpet and ignoring its existence within your ego-mind. Which is actually giving it massive importance to your unconscious mind. Deprivation, avoidance and austerities are not valid methods (on a full time basis) for anyone attempting to discover the unified source of power within themselves (Kundalini). This is because they must take the totality of what they are and work with that. Watching your own cycles play out, in front of the meditator's witnessing consciousness. Only then can you hope to see the complete picture. Only then can you see that Sin is nothing more than a mental concept, created and made real by the ego-mind. Impurities are nothing more than a mental concept, created and made real by the ego-mind. Kundalini is nothing more than a concept, created and made real by the ego-mind. God is nothing more than a mental concept, created and made real by the ego-mind.
There are no impurities.... Good is Bad and Bad is Good...... one cannot exist without the other within the ego mind. They are the poles of our unified source of power. To harness positive and negative energy in its totality, is to be free of the cycle of Karma. To pursue positive and discount negative develops massively strong willpower. Which is a function of the conditioned ego-mind that we need to drop in order to achieve self-unification. You cannot make demands upon nor train your psyche. The conditioning that you have received is very strong and in order to drop your conditioning, you will need to be able to see that the ego-mind is fragmented, self-contradictory and confused. Once you have seen this and all of your own cycles and patterns, then and only then can you begin any relevant work upon your consciousness because the ground has been prepared and is very fertile. You see the futility of mind because of where it takes you time and again - right through the cycle of Torment & Despair into Happiness & Light and back again ! Rollercoasters are fun once in a while but stay on too long and you will definitely throw up at some point !
And just finally Kundalini actually comes from a tradition that influenced the structure of Christianity. So even at base level it is silly to say that they are not related.......
the capacity to not understand what others write while being circular in your discussion is boundless- I will give you a A+ for that effort. Seeings that the same answer is always regurgitated out, save yourself the time you use to misunderstand me. This is just another reason there is a PUBLIC AND PRIVATE tribe on alchemy! Lordy, This one is very argumentative with little hands on practicum while long on the sermon. The other is devoid of sermons with little to no dissention amoungst its participants. Course, the other is not filled with religious people constantly revising everyones theology and squacking about ego when the inevitable 'misunderstanding' of the circular logic is questioned. People are much too concerned with the sermon here, than they are in trying to actually comprehende what others say or mean.
Adios, i return you to your regularly scheduled religious programming show.
I question that the oto even initiated you, you demonstrate a deplorable lack understanding of basic crowley and OTO materials of even the lower grades....unless it was of course, just a dues paying branch of the organization that only requires your money, not your understanding of grade materials.
'This thread survives.'
Satan, i don't know if survives is the correct word. Necromantically ressurected may be more appropriate. Satan you bad boy, you.
>>>I question that the oto even initiated you<<<
My dear Flint,
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.
It is, of course, your inalieble right to question anything you do not understand. It is not, however, my responsibility, to satisfy your thirst for knowledge of your petty questionings. Please try not to interrupt the grown-ups; it's rude.
With love under will,
The Wizzard of Jacksonville
>>>Are there any basic concepts left out that can be expressed in human terms?<<<
I hope these may be helpful.
With love under will,
The Wizzard of Jacksonville
Hee hee, you MUST be a due paying member of the Caliphate! adeptus minor are not really suited for public exposition. I was addressing your misinformation regarding crowley and what sacrafice is. I definetly am not discussing what they mean in various xtian cults. But again, cyclic logic is the norm for members of xtian cults. Don't assume to lecture me if you have demonstrated the inability to know the source of The Soverign Sanctuary Of The Gnosis. To approach her is to recognize her as Bathos Sophia - depthless wisdom. To know her is to know She Is Babalon, Who Is Drunk On The Blood Of Every Saint. LaShTaL is her formula. 93 is her current in The Outer, Oz is our manifesto. Let those who confound the spacemarks be damned for a dog. Confound not the space marks man, it is man worshipping on the altar of woman. The rites of the Dragon. Play circular logic with someone else.
''People seem not to see that their opinion of the world is also a confession of character.''
Ralph Waldo Emerson
no sin, guilt or restricition here, Thelemite Alchemist.
what am i supposed to say other than la la la? If you cannot maintain a strait line of thot man, its impossible to communicate in a clear and intelligible manner.
so all your doing is debating it, not providing research notes, or lab ready methods to tinker with stuff....thats lame...go back to your bickering on long dead authors. Im going back to the lab.
Arguing is the most circular method out there.
Feel free to continue your process. Let me know when it finally pays of and makes you as intelligent as you are attempting to portray by being abusive !
>>>Let me know when it finally pays of and makes you as intelligent as you are attempting to portray by being abusive !<<<
Good point, Zu Li. There is nothing more pointless than spending all one's time belittling others over how stupid they are and how much more intelligent one is while contributing nothing whatever to the discussion. Some people are unable to provide any actual information or even personal opinion so they overcompensate by trying to attack others in the mistaken belief that this makes them seem intelligent. But it is best not to encourage the trolls by responding to their nonsense. It just makes them feel they are making progress and attracting attention to themselves, while failing to realize that anyone who is paying attention is simply laughing at them.
Too bad they just fail to realize how transparent they are.
With love under will,
The Wizzard of Jacksonville
double yawwwnnn. circular conversation and regurgitation of lower grade golden dawn materials doesn't qualify as adding to the discussion either. Its not abusive to point out your inconsistencies and errors. Nor were you capable of answering them. It seems both you chatterers are doing the same thing and calling it discussion. Proving my intelligence is both boring and a waste of my time, and would fall on deaf and uncomprehending ears.
thus, the existence of a private alchemy tribe. circular logic and ego fluffing doesn't fly well there.
trade your robe in for a zelator or practicus robe there mister 'wizzard'.
and perhaps sacraficing a handful of perfect male children might ease your obvious tension. I am very sure some people are lauphing at this thread, but not quite for the reasons you would like......hee hee
bringing blaring inconsistencies up for explanation is not abusive, unless you have the guru complex.
Get on with it then......master
kiss my ass apprentice!
don't you have some sin and guilt to espouse????
don't make me bring in the dinner and dessert recipes.....
Thanks Flint for shifting the gears on this conversation! Love Beats Antique!
a very lovely bellydancer friend from oz turned me onto this music, i love it! dancing is good for the soul.
If point is form and circle perimeter, then transgression is flattery. Perhaps that's how it builds, how it is overseen, plunge in or plunger, tidy bowl dumbshit land. Whoop, there it is, whoop there it is, now some Barry White, of course. So the qliphoth is connection, has your smooth point been too roughly touched? Is there anything in there? Heh & Vav, vav must meen angel, goes to binah. But elohim is the one less defined or amorphous, the point is the angel right, that's at chokmah. We're gonna have some problems here. Houston, check some O-rings. All this mercy is getting icky.
oh your wormhole charlie, or his less than brilliant brother. god, how many times have you unsubbed to re incarnate as a new and friendless member? yawwwwwwwwww n
I have more pimples on my back because of you.
no one had a clue, I'm shittier than you, get in my bunny hole, I know what you need. I will determine you. No, you don't need that, that's unnecessary, just chase me you ijit, who's year now?
The V for victory comes from the wars the English fought with the French. When the French would capture an English longbow man they would cut off his two string drawing fingers on his right hand. The V shows that he still has his fingers so be carefull.
the 'v' for victory was made by aleister crowley for churchill, as a counter poise to hitlers nazi salute.
British Occultist Aleister Crowley claimed to have invented the usage of a V-sign as a magical foil to the Nazis' use of the Swastika in February 1941. He maintained that he passed this to friends at the BBC, and to the British Naval Intelligence Division through his connections in MI5, eventually gaining the approval of Winston Churchill. Crowley pointed out that in his 1913 publication Magick a V-sign and a swastika appear on the same plate.
It's a quote, someone else wrote that. I have no idea what gender Churchill was.
Hi...This V sign is Atlantean & magical used by certain people. It is older than 52,000BC.
Sorry i been gone for a while busy on writting a book.....You know the best alchemists to study for the stone of the wise is not only Roger bacon and nicholas flamel but there are others who touched on this mercural water that the properties have within itself to stop or rather in reality terms slow down the aging process.One such story in are alchemy guild is 2 people were friends and one decided to break away because he was experimenting with the Elixer commonly known as the "Azoth" google Azoth and then write me at firstname.lastname@example.org and i will send out invites to an online alchemy study group its free and in this online library you will find all that you need to know on the stone including changing the properties of certain metals to gold the elixer is also mentioned along with alot of the Library on join me on this online site if you want to know more on the elixer and other stuff......
just join at this weblink its virus free and its safe...
post a pic from atlantis, post 52,000
be sure to let us all know how much your book is.
I will keep you posted until then look at this link this is one of the books in the library i'm inviting yall too for an ever deeper alchemic talk for the serious person only please but look at this book on this link
and this will give you a hint of some of the alchemists i have studied for the elixer and such.But backing the work soon will be even better but imagine the elixer something which slows aging thats amazing to me..but anyway come to this link and join
since yall are about wanting to see about the Stone not many know about in this library i posted several books on the subject books 1-45 are a important study and if you saw it yourself you would see why.
the links i give can be 100% trusted but i'm trying to make this online guild active by completeing the alchemy school and such we can orginize a group of practicing alchemists to re-uncover the stone but i am going to school first because in tha making of this it has to be sealed just right John dee in his monad of sealing the glyph within an egg that no vapors escape or one breath and your out.This elixer is dangerous but marvelous in its works.Most alchemists would symbolize the last stage of the making of the elixer to explode with color they put a peacock as an image to explain the symbolizim in the last stage.I put the picture of it in my profile its a circular pic hit on this link to it
enjoy and i will keep posting when book is complete its in the final putting together stage. Its going to be called "Into the unknown" A search into the philosophers stone and spiritual alchemy.
till then hope to see yall at the guild site.Don't forget when you join to go under the files tab look up books 1-45 i numbered em for a future study and I KNOW for 100% no doubt if yall saw em all you would agree that yes i know about the stone and other things like Ormus and the list can go on 8)
Plus to top it off you will see john dee's monad glyph Plus the glyph means Mercury the symbol of the elixer 8)
If people really want to know about whats going on and what we can expect hit on this link to a nasa employee talking about anoher solor system going to come through the middle of our's that would suck.
sorry to come off course a bit but this is a must see for everyone.
glad to see you avail yourself of Dr. Dee's intelligence. one cannot plum his whole depth in a single life.
No but to find the stone and almost be able to work it is another.I have Recipies and what to do but i had to go through other alchemists to get it one was a german alchemist i will explain some in book but not all of it because if you will use it wrongly then this path will stay hidden but to find it is something more interesting because what it covers and what it goes over that the Elixer and making gold were just a few things being done by this science.I never knew what alchemy was till i started to find the manuscripts that talked of interesting things like one is talked about in a T.v show they made called "Hero's" its on netflix and a movie called limitless because alchemy found something that opened the use of just more than 10% also it effected like Ormus opening the Senses that experiance was awesome.I have a witness that when it hit me a cold draft went right between us and not less than 1min later it hit and there were no vents open for air in the living room nor open windows but for this draft to have just spawned up and quick it made me interested in the Dark matter it captures............
The name of the Other movie that hints on the theory is
spiritus sanctus interno